992.2: If you led Porsche, what would YOU have done?
#16
Happy, when 911s a 911 t and 911 gt3 all come with a manual I think others will be happy. Many members are looking for confirmation bias that they made the right decision with buying 992.1 so they beat up the new 992.2 yeah I dig it. I think the review will come out that the gts is fabulous on track and when the new gt3 come out, more fabulous. If you want analog keep your 997 or earlier generations, so fun. If you want cutting edge new buy new 992.2. So many great generations of 911, simply iconic and now fresher with times.
My complaints about the 992.2 are not the abandonment of the analog tach, or the hybridization of the model, but are focused on some unnecessary design aesthetic changes to the front end, and the exhaust, both in look and sound. All that said, yes it would be nice to know whether the S, and T models will maintain the manual option or what the future holds in store for those options. Unfortunately Porsche in changing the exterior so much, meant that they could not offer the existing 992.1 S and T models alongside the updated 992.2 base and GTS due to those major differences. I thought briefly the S would still be available as a 2025 992.1 car, but Porsche has closed the door entirely on that while not providing any information on what will be coming to replace it.
#17
it would be nice to know whether the S, and T models will maintain the manual option or what the future holds in store for those options. Unfortunately Porsche in changing the exterior so much, meant that they could not offer the existing 992.1 S and T models alongside the updated 992.2 base and GTS due to those major differences. I thought briefly the S would still be available as a 2025 992.1 car, but Porsche has closed the door entirely on that while not providing any information on what will be coming to replace it.
#21
In the broader sense as far as the vehicle dynamics are concerned, I think Porsche did just fine. Performance hybrid power unit, standard rear axle steering, etc. I suspect the unavailability of the manual is directly related to the hybrid system ... perhaps there's a 992.2 performance machine with a manual on the horizon?
I like the no cost seat option. I'm indifferent to the start button, slightly disappointed by the digital graphic tach (but maybe that will clear the way for interesting panel configurations).
I would have loved to have the black/cognac club leather option on my 2022, alas it was a $16K+ option then.
I'm not a fan of most the exterior mods. Perhaps the front fascia has some aero advantages, but the base 992.2 is far better looking. The rear appears to be an effort to be different w/o being better (reminds me of Detroit tweaking body styles in the 50's and 60's for no good reason but the announce September had arrived).
Certainly the GTS performance is improved (significantly at Nurburgring), perhaps drivability as well (given the 992.1 as a standard that's hard to imagine). Given the increased MSRP, I think the 992.1 depreciation will be slight.
I like the no cost seat option. I'm indifferent to the start button, slightly disappointed by the digital graphic tach (but maybe that will clear the way for interesting panel configurations).
I would have loved to have the black/cognac club leather option on my 2022, alas it was a $16K+ option then.
I'm not a fan of most the exterior mods. Perhaps the front fascia has some aero advantages, but the base 992.2 is far better looking. The rear appears to be an effort to be different w/o being better (reminds me of Detroit tweaking body styles in the 50's and 60's for no good reason but the announce September had arrived).
Certainly the GTS performance is improved (significantly at Nurburgring), perhaps drivability as well (given the 992.1 as a standard that's hard to imagine). Given the increased MSRP, I think the 992.1 depreciation will be slight.
#22
Remember the "Head of Product" still has bosses above him/her. The digital dashboard is a cost savings for manufacturing - I don't think any user experience designer thinks it's actually better for the driver. The head of product may not like the new digital dashboard, but the bean counters and MBAs looking at profits don't care about our "driving experience".
#23
Rennlist Member
Not a cosmetic or powertrain issue.
In a quick phrase, fix or upgrade the tech/PCM. I know it's not the topic we are all talking about, but P cars are woefully behind.
How about a forward/back button on the steering wheel to change track/stations. Sounds easy enough to me. If you've ever driven an Audi, you know what good is.
I'd love a Heads Up Display.
More color selections on paint.
Otherwise, i love my 992 TTS.
First world problems.
cheers,
NAV
In a quick phrase, fix or upgrade the tech/PCM. I know it's not the topic we are all talking about, but P cars are woefully behind.
How about a forward/back button on the steering wheel to change track/stations. Sounds easy enough to me. If you've ever driven an Audi, you know what good is.
I'd love a Heads Up Display.
More color selections on paint.
Otherwise, i love my 992 TTS.
First world problems.
cheers,
NAV
#25
Rennlist Member
Within this community, there seems to be a lot of dissatisfaction with the recently-announced 992.2 changes, including hybrid, push-to-start, lack of analog gauge cluster, etc.
Scenario: So, imagine you are the "Head of Product" for the 911 (or whatever the HMFIC is called)...what decisions would you have made to usher in a new model while still keeping enthusiasts happy?
Note: I'm two weeks out from getting my first 911 (a C2S manual transmission), which I'm really excited about, so I'm not in the market for a 992.2 anyway. I'm just curious to hear the ideas people have, given how difficult it is to drive innovation while maintaining what makes a 911 a 911.
Scenario: So, imagine you are the "Head of Product" for the 911 (or whatever the HMFIC is called)...what decisions would you have made to usher in a new model while still keeping enthusiasts happy?
Note: I'm two weeks out from getting my first 911 (a C2S manual transmission), which I'm really excited about, so I'm not in the market for a 992.2 anyway. I'm just curious to hear the ideas people have, given how difficult it is to drive innovation while maintaining what makes a 911 a 911.
#26
I would have put the 4.0 from the 718 GTS or a detuned, lower rpm version of the gt3 motor In the 911 GTS with only one form of electric assist (pdk motor) and small traditional turbos.
#27
I would say get a life to this forum.
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#28
Race Car
I wouldn't come to RL for input, because we hate everything, and there would be no .2 because we can't come to a consensus.
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#29
The sad reality is that Porsche becoming a publicly traded standalone company is likely the worse thing that could ever have happened to it for its longevity. It will priortize short term profit over long term customer satisfaction.
#30
Racer
Within this community, there seems to be a lot of dissatisfaction with the recently-announced 992.2 changes, including hybrid, push-to-start, lack of analog gauge cluster, etc.
Scenario: So, imagine you are the "Head of Product" for the 911 (or whatever the HMFIC is called)...what decisions would you have made to usher in a new model while still keeping enthusiasts happy?
Note: I'm two weeks out from getting my first 911 (a C2S manual transmission), which I'm really excited about, so I'm not in the market for a 992.2 anyway. I'm just curious to hear the ideas people have, given how difficult it is to drive innovation while maintaining what makes a 911 a 911.
Scenario: So, imagine you are the "Head of Product" for the 911 (or whatever the HMFIC is called)...what decisions would you have made to usher in a new model while still keeping enthusiasts happy?
Note: I'm two weeks out from getting my first 911 (a C2S manual transmission), which I'm really excited about, so I'm not in the market for a 992.2 anyway. I'm just curious to hear the ideas people have, given how difficult it is to drive innovation while maintaining what makes a 911 a 911.