New Base 992 Carrera Owner: Winter wheel set
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1. the level of ignorance regarding tires and their importance in this car forum is stupefying.
2. the amount of ******** driving in the snow with all-season tires is scary and they cause most of the avoidable accidents in the snow, AWD or not.
I'd never put all-weather tires in my cars but at least they'd be ok in the snow. All-season tires should be relabeled three-season tires because that's actually what they are.
I guess some people also think it's okay to run a marathon in loafers. Play golf with a hockey stick? Perhaps play basketball with a soccer ball...
Why would anyone buy a scalpel of a performance car and then nutter their ability to use that performance while also putting their car at risk? To save some money on their $150k car. Brilliant!
2. the amount of ******** driving in the snow with all-season tires is scary and they cause most of the avoidable accidents in the snow, AWD or not.
I'd never put all-weather tires in my cars but at least they'd be ok in the snow. All-season tires should be relabeled three-season tires because that's actually what they are.
I guess some people also think it's okay to run a marathon in loafers. Play golf with a hockey stick? Perhaps play basketball with a soccer ball...
Why would anyone buy a scalpel of a performance car and then nutter their ability to use that performance while also putting their car at risk? To save some money on their $150k car. Brilliant!
Maybe try a set of good all season tires made in the past few years before you spew your bs.
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@Shr the OP mentions snow in his original post. Did you read it? Did you need to clarify for him? Regarding hydroplaning, no, you're confusing me with someone else. I didn't crash my car. Good luck with your Porsche ownership.
If I ever become a cranky old man telling people who own sports cars they're going too fast on the internet while also exposing in plain view my Dunning Kruger, please someone shoot me.
If I ever become a cranky old man telling people who own sports cars they're going too fast on the internet while also exposing in plain view my Dunning Kruger, please someone shoot me.
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By the gods...
How,
Why
You people don't understand context, right?
There is no snow on the street, no slush, no ice
We got like maybe 3 days of snow this year and it was gone almost immediately.
In those conditions, winter tires are overkill
And in the event that there is snow on the road?
I literally have others cars or the option of not driving, because 100% of my driving is for pleasure. I don't commute or need to go anywhere.
And what about spring? Spring tires? What if you have an solar eclipse? Let me get you some eclipse tires.
How,
Why
You people don't understand context, right?
There is no snow on the street, no slush, no ice
We got like maybe 3 days of snow this year and it was gone almost immediately.
In those conditions, winter tires are overkill
And in the event that there is snow on the road?
I literally have others cars or the option of not driving, because 100% of my driving is for pleasure. I don't commute or need to go anywhere.
And what about spring? Spring tires? What if you have an solar eclipse? Let me get you some eclipse tires.
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From: North of Boston
Everyone in this thread has been talking about how little snow they get and they don't need winter tires...the issue is more about temperature than snow!
Get a set of winter rated tires!
"Summer performance tires feature tread rubber compounds engineered to provide traction in warm to hot temperatures only. As temperatures drop into the 40s, a summer performance tire's tread compound changes from a pliable elastic to an inflexible plastic, drastically reducing traction capabilities. The tire industry calls this process the "glass transition." And, without traction, your vehicle will have a hard time staying on the road!
In fact, should summer performance tires even be exposed to near- or below-freezing temperatures, tread compound cracking or tread block chipping can occur. Once a tire has been damaged in this way, it will need to be replaced. And, as both types of damage only occur as the result of improper use or storage, they will not typically be covered by the manufacturer's warranty." Tirerack
Get a set of winter rated tires!
"Summer performance tires feature tread rubber compounds engineered to provide traction in warm to hot temperatures only. As temperatures drop into the 40s, a summer performance tire's tread compound changes from a pliable elastic to an inflexible plastic, drastically reducing traction capabilities. The tire industry calls this process the "glass transition." And, without traction, your vehicle will have a hard time staying on the road!
In fact, should summer performance tires even be exposed to near- or below-freezing temperatures, tread compound cracking or tread block chipping can occur. Once a tire has been damaged in this way, it will need to be replaced. And, as both types of damage only occur as the result of improper use or storage, they will not typically be covered by the manufacturer's warranty." Tirerack
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@Shr the OP mentions snow in his original post. Did you read it? Did you need to clarify for him? Regarding hydroplaning, no, you're confusing me with someone else. I didn't crash my car. Good luck with your Porsche ownership.
If I ever become a cranky old man telling people who own sports cars they're going too fast on the internet while also exposing in plain view my Dunning Kruger, please someone shoot me.
If I ever become a cranky old man telling people who own sports cars they're going too fast on the internet while also exposing in plain view my Dunning Kruger, please someone shoot me.
As with all things, running good all seasons is a compromise and its up to your own personal situation and cost/benefit analysis. Storage space, mechanical ability, use case, local weather all play into it. For a year round regular use car that isn't being used to play johnny racer in the canyons regularly, good all seasons should absolutely be considered.
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OP: buy this set, its a four hour drive for you to go fetch them up. Saw this today in the Classified. Great price for a quality wheel and tire set up. https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1393283. Be sure to take a full sized pickup or SUV is you do.
SHR: be aware the heat and grease seep from those pizza boxes can do some damage to your leather that cannot be repaired. Just an FYI. Maybe set them on the passenger floor next time.
Quadcammer: YOU try to have a nice day, 15,599 posts and always confrontational? Come on man, they're just toys for grown ups.
SHR: be aware the heat and grease seep from those pizza boxes can do some damage to your leather that cannot be repaired. Just an FYI. Maybe set them on the passenger floor next time.
Quadcammer: YOU try to have a nice day, 15,599 posts and always confrontational? Come on man, they're just toys for grown ups.
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Honestly, I am not one of those people that care about that type of stuff, like stains or scratches or anything cosmetic in cars or anything else.
are you?
Because they do.
Jesus, does everyone sees a thread about winter tires and just jump and goes: winter tires, you must have winter tires!!!
Without once taking into account context?
@Shr the OP mentions snow in his original post. Did you read it? Did you need to clarify for him? Regarding hydroplaning, no, you're confusing me with someone else. I didn't crash my car. Good luck with your Porsche ownership.
I have family that lives there too so I am there somewhat frequently
I know precisely how much snow they get, which is... Not enough to justify winter tires.
If he wants to get them or not is up to him but for me is a hassle that I rather not deal with.
So when my current tires give the ghost I will probably just replace them with all seasons
And about the other part, yes I wasn't talking about you, you were the one that assumed so.
I said as much on my previous post.
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Are you just purposely being obtuse? Nothing cranky or old manish about being responsible and expecting others to do the same. As a supposed "track and autocross instructor," one would think you would understand that public roads are not a controlled surface and exceeding the limits of a modern ultra high performance all season tire such as a Conti DWS 06 Plus or Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3/4 would be quite dangerous. If you think only old men feel this way, then I hope your insurance is paid up for you and your family's sake.
As with all things, running good all seasons is a compromise and its up to your own personal situation and cost/benefit analysis. Storage space, mechanical ability, use case, local weather all play into it. For a year round regular use car that isn't being used to play johnny racer in the canyons regularly, good all seasons should absolutely be considered.
As with all things, running good all seasons is a compromise and its up to your own personal situation and cost/benefit analysis. Storage space, mechanical ability, use case, local weather all play into it. For a year round regular use car that isn't being used to play johnny racer in the canyons regularly, good all seasons should absolutely be considered.
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This is like an episode of Mythbusters, and has been throughly 'busted'... what else would you expect a tire dealer to say? Nothing 'binary' occurs at 40 or 32 or 20f, just a gradual degradation in traction, in the same way that you would never want to be on winter tires in 90f weather. Use common sense and get a set of winter tires if your climate and usage (eg. DD vs garage queen) dictate... otherwise leave the 992 at home in a blizzard and take the Cayenne.
In fact, should summer performance tires even be exposed to near- or below-freezing temperatures, tread compound cracking or tread block chipping can occur. Once a tire has been damaged in this way, it will need to be replaced. And, as both types of damage only occur as the result of improper use or storage, they will not typically be covered by the manufacturer's warranty." Tirerack
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I have a .2T, and my original plan is/was to get winter tires for the stock wheels 20/21, and then get a new set of FI-R’s for the almost new PS4s that came with the car. Then have a set of winter wheels / tires I can swap with a set of summer wheel / tires.
is there any winter tires that fit the 20/21 wheels, or should I just bite the bullet and do the stock 19/20 winter setup that Porsche sells?
is there any winter tires that fit the 20/21 wheels, or should I just bite the bullet and do the stock 19/20 winter setup that Porsche sells?
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However I’m seeing that my counter-season risk is coming from winter days in the 60s - 70s and my winter Contis are mushy. No snow this year and warm days in January are becoming the norm, making my winter tires overkill. When I replace the winter rubber it will be with A/S.