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Old 01-09-2024, 11:58 PM
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There are NA engines, and NA engines. By which I mean a 1960 Ford F100 (just a random pick) is NA but it’s hardly sporty. But a 1960 Alfa with twin DCOE’s is, frankly, sublime.
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For me the NA engine is part of the Porsche recipe that I always lusted after. I’ve had plenty of turbos, but never a big displacement NA engine. Now I have one, paired to a superb manual transmission, in a mid engine GT chassis all wrapped in beautiful sheet metal. It has not disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Porsche992
Hi, Why does everyone get so excited about the naturally aspirated engines ? My first and only 911 I ever had is my current 992 S , what will it gain by it being naturally aspirated ? I Asking because everyone is excited about a supposed GTS that will be NA. Does the acceleration feel different or is it sound ? I feel no turbo lag in this one. Thanks
Because the Internet says so.
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In Europe and of course in north America (except on track ) ,the torque on every rpm is the solution to appreciate driving a porsche if you don’t want to be invited to jail.
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Old 01-10-2024, 09:54 AM
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I had a C7 NA Corvette before getting my 992 S-both manuals. I often question which engine response I liked better. The vette responded more instantaneously but lacked the progressive oomph that the S has. A matter of taste.
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Old 01-10-2024, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Wilder
#1 reason people want NA over turbo is engine noise, and as far as Porsche people are concerned, what they really want is GT noises.

The base engine with PSE is the best blend of NA and turbo I've experienced to date.
Sounds NA
Near-zero lag and near-instant throttle response
Wring-out-able yet torquey

The perfect Carrera.
I'm sure it's great, but I'd be hard pressed to believe that ANY turbocharged car will sound as good as a comparable NA car.

Ferrari's have all sounded like crap after the 458. Turbos do something to the noise--they suck the life out of it. Not only that, but because of the higher torque they just don't tend to rev as high.

And regarding the comment about motorcycles--yeah, motorcycles are great, but NA sports cars are great too. You can enjoy both. Heck, enjoy turbocharged cars too! I think every type of cars has pros and cons
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Take this with a grain of salt, but I've had fun in a 718 GTS 4.0 while waiting for a 992 GTS. I'm not suggesting a 718 NA GTA competes with a GT3 or upcoming 992.2, but there is similarity. Also, my daily is an X5 M50i - the twin turbo surge and associated torque make it feel quite a bit quicker than the 718 (to which it is). To me, the benefits of the 718 NA are the purity of the driving experience, the linear throttle response, and the sound, which for this generation is mostly induction sound. Puts a smile on your face every time.

However, longer NA gearing, and the general sense that I have to really rev it out to get any sensation of speed, by which time it is not safe for street driving, lessen the NA appeal. I'm ready for the 992 GTS, with its turbos, to balance the driving experience and a better response lower in the rpm range - this is just more relevant to my daily driving patterns.
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Originally Posted by PhilH930
Take this with a grain of salt, but I've had fun in a 718 GTS 4.0 while waiting for a 992 GTS. I'm not suggesting a 718 NA GTA competes with a GT3 or upcoming 992.2, but there is similarity. Also, my daily is an X5 M50i - the twin turbo surge and associated torque make it feel quite a bit quicker than the 718 (to which it is). To me, the benefits of the 718 NA are the purity of the driving experience, the linear throttle response, and the sound, which for this generation is mostly induction sound. Puts a smile on your face every time.

However, longer NA gearing, and the general sense that I have to really rev it out to get any sensation of speed, by which time it is not safe for street driving, lessen the NA appeal. I'm ready for the 992 GTS, with its turbos, to balance the driving experience and a better response lower in the rpm range - this is just more relevant to my daily driving patterns.
I largely agree with this, however, that’s not the fault of the engine. That’s Porsche simply refusing to re-gear their six speed that they’ve been using for this platform.
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Originally Posted by VarTheVar
I largely agree with this, however, that’s not the fault of the engine. That’s Porsche simply refusing to re-gear their six speed that they’ve been using for this platform.
Agree, and better said.
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I want an NA engine and then bolt a Turbo to it.

Best of both worlds.
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Originally Posted by repcapale
I want an NA engine and then bolt a Turbo to it.

Best of both worlds.
I want a turbo engine and remove the turbos.

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Originally Posted by Tupper
I'm sure it's great, but I'd be hard pressed to believe that ANY turbocharged car will sound as good as a comparable NA car.
I think you missed my point. No 992 Carrera (turbo) will ever sound like a GT3. However, I am impressed by what Porsche engineers have been able to achieve in terms of getting the 3.0TT engine with PSE and in sport mode to sound like, which to my ear, is in the same universe as a 997 or 991.1. The other noteworthy thing in terms of approaching NA characteristics is the 7,500 redline. 997 Carrera redlines at 7,300, 991.1 redlines at 7,800 and the 981 redlines at 7,600 while the 997 Turbo redlines at 6,700 and the 991.1 Turbo S redlines at 6,900 (I think). I know redline is not max power and that turbos generally make max power before redline while NA generally does make max power at redline but again, the 992 feels very linear and doesn't feel like it plateaus or runs out of breath before redline. It's very well done. The most NA-like turbo I've ever driven. I love it and I'm not a fan of turbos.
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Originally Posted by Porsche992
Hi, Why does everyone get so excited about the naturally aspirated engines ? My first and only 911 I ever had is my current 992 S , what will it gain by it being naturally aspirated ? I Asking because everyone is excited about a supposed GTS that will be NA. Does the acceleration feel different or is it sound ? I feel no turbo lag in this one. Thanks
Classic 964 and 993 Turbos go for a massive premium. Current NA (GT3, GT4, etc.) go for a premium as well. Both are in lower supply. You do the math.

Not saying that's the primary or only reason, but I think psychology is a huge factor.
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Old 01-10-2024, 06:02 PM
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Thanks for all the replies, I do feel that on my 992 I could shift from first to 4th on my manual and the car is probably not going to stall , I was always impressed by this I didn't know it was the turbos doing their thing. Appreciate all the info shared.
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Old 01-16-2024, 02:04 AM
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Well, the naturally aspirated older 911's sound a lot better, and are a hell of a lot less powerful at lower RPM's.



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