detansinn

Less than 2 miles from my house, I'm away from traffic and have access to a wide range of twisty two lane roads that I can take all the way up into the mountains (or the Appalachian equivalent thereof). Having to drive out of the state doesn't make Florida blow goats any less. Heck, I can drive to the Carolinas too. I can also be in West Virginia or New England in a matter of hours. Not as great as California, but entirely serviceable.

Agreed, if your definition of being a "car enthusiast" is staring at your car parked and/or driving on straight flat roads, Florida is entirely adequate.😜

I am just glad that you’re having fun. Have a great holiday!

malba2366

When there are excess cars around (which was the case until mid 2020) they will sell to anyone, however when they can sell all the cars they are getting locally there is no reason to sell cars out of market unless it is with an ADM that local customers will reject. At some point things will change again, and the dealers in smaller markets will be happy to sell out of market because they can't sell all of their allocations locally.

yrralis1

We have tracks here . Some of those straight and flat roads are near empty and endless . Plus the car doesn't have to hibernate in the cold or with pot holes . Whatever curves Miami may lack on the streets is made up by the beautiful women. Its partly cloudy and 77 degrees here today and the mere fact that I can walk out with shorts and a T shirt for a drive is enough to put a smile on those miles driven .

Icegrill

oh okay thanks for clarifying……

BondJ

The area sounds great. The roads around the area sound great. The USA sounds great BUT…none of this negates the **** that guys your side of the pond have to put up with when it comes to actually purchasing the car: ADM…wait…buy a $200 watch for 10K…wait even longer…🙄

IMO the OP is right not to bother

Freddie Two Bs

How does it work in the UK, when there's more demand than supply? All at MSRP, strictly in order of who got on a list first?

BondJ

In the UK charging ADM is illegal. There are a certain number of allocations to dealers for a particular model in a specific time frame. Dealers will have their regular, favoured customers who will go to the top of their list for whatever model they order. But, if you lay down enough deposit to prove you’re serious (IMO perfectly reasonable), you’ll get the car…without buying a crap watch. To be clear, I’m not criticising those who choose to pay ADM, just supporting those who won’t

GT3

How’s the 2nd market in uk? Does it look like often the dealer and vip/preferred buyer take the car, list it 2-3 months later and split the profits?

BondJ

I’m not daft enough to believe that flipping can’t happen but…in the UK the car will have to be registered by the purchaser and subject to VAT. This makes it a pre-owned car, so more expensive to sell on

GT3

ahh ok. I wasn’t trying to be a dick like most of Rennlist. Was genuine question. I’ve noticed about 20+ Dakars for sale 2nd market in Europe, some in uk, so was curious.

PHX

Get the beer cold, I'm coming up for a visit!! LOL

Cheers!

chance6

Not just in that area of US- many US dealers treat their prime cars as an auction house; i.e. no loyalty to previous customers- just let them go to the highest bidder. Right? Basically an auction house with a Porsche logo on the outside of the damn building.

mdrobc1213

Bravo..so agree...for certain vehicles and in certain markets this should be a sticky to read and thus act accordingly. There is a want and a need and there are also perfect and then the good enough and sometimes it seems buyers are stuck on stupid or perfect and fail to understand the environment they are operating in. Without clear SA=situation awareness of both market, dealer, vehicle, etc then acquisition of these cars can be almost impossible in some of these cases esp when buyers are not willing to flex and accommodate it all.

I have a friend (former 997 owner) who wants to get back into the P-car ownership but is aghast at the cost and difficulty getting a car...the changing market, ADMs, and waiting line/periods have him just pained. He has been offered a Carrera T at least twice in the last 6-12 mos w/ADM at $10k and $15k respectively. He declined each as it put the car too much above what he wanted to spend and did on his 997 he said. Fast forward he just got his local dealer call on a Carrera T at $2500 + MSRP, $5k deposit NOW for a $144k build with a summer/Fall delivery date. Yet...he's still at pause due to the cost of acquisition..and most likely the Macan T he got his spouse earlier last Spring also. Still he thinks the dealer and process with Porsche is wrong somehow compared to his previous ownership. My advice to him is the deal is the deal...its not 2009 when he last had a 997 and the cars have changed significantly as have the market. So if he wants a spec'd car (he absolutely is crazed about the car MUST have Carbon Bucket seats) then that is where we are. Unfortunate but reality and he's lucky to have found a local allocation as many guys in the Carrera T forum have been waiting for cars for over 12 mos since announced!
Agree I'll go coast to coast to get the car if the deal is right and the car is what I want. The internet makes this easy and most dealers have an Internet Sales Dept who respond within 24hrs it seems to inquiries...great place to start OP.
Not so....I've seen a few offer to sell out of state when asked. No problem...and there are ways to take local delivery and then 'move" the car to your home of residence easily enough. Bought an 2015 Cayenne in Scotsdale AZ and shipped it to WA from dealership easily enough with shipping paid for by me and a Bill of Lading to the dealer. Just one document to sign saying vehicle was NOT being registered in the State of AZ which dealer was really insistent on getting signed for Sales Tax purposes to protect them as they were not collected and WA waived sales tax for me as military buying out of state at that time!
PCNA cannot legally stop it and often don't have a way to fully track it...as they don't know where the car is registered I don't think once sold. Mostly though its a local dealer thing and repeat business and service I've been told although some say PCNA does look and doesn't want their cars flipped all across dealerships in the lower 48 states!
Yes that is true but also dependant on the dealer....for example I was in search of a Cayenne Coupe recently in Sept and had put my deposit down with local dealer to wait in line with maybe hope of getting a car in 2024. Decided to call around and found 10 allocations immediately in 20 emails to dealers I had either bought with before or lived in those areas and knew them well and one of two other larger areas. Of those some did decline to offer me their available allocation once I told them I was out of state but still at least 5 cars were offered to me as an out of state buyer and at only 2 asked for ADM like stuff (lo-jack and ceramic packages, etc) so yes seek and you WILL find.

Here's an interesting link I saw...some ways I'd say possibly so!

nyca

I just don't see anyone posting here that they are getting allocations from "flyover state" dealers, where supply of them are plentiful. Sure maybe technically you can do it, but that isn't viable for most people who can't get allocations.