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It'll last. But my fear is all these electronic doo-dads are going to look like something from Sputnik. Have a look at an 80's Aston Martin Lagonda, that's what I'm talking about. 997 is the final "classically designed" 911 IMO.
It'll last. But my fear is all these electronic doo-dads are going to look like something from Sputnik. Have a look at an 80's Aston Martin Lagonda, that's what I'm talking about. 997 is the final "classically designed" 911 IMO.
The 997.1 center console is laughably outdated in this era and 997.2 only slightly better.
We have to assume nothing will age well after the 993 and earlier models. I plan to drive fast and distract myself.
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The 997.1 center console is laughably outdated in this era and 997.2 only slightly better.
We have to assume nothing will age well after the 993 and earlier models. I plan to drive fast and distract myself.
It's a matter of taste. In the era of Tesla and everyone wanting to be Tesla, I really like my 997 interior and part of me still wishes I could've found the right 991.2 instead of buying a 992, mostly because of the analog interior.
Most likely they will not be around in 50 years, becasue of the computers in the car. It would be like trying to find an old IBM 8088 computer....as tech advances the old computers are no longer used, and eventually the supplier stops producing them. The used parts market will exhaust itself as well. Then, when someone gets the bright idea to re-create the parts, there is no one familiar with how to do it, the skill set is gone and died out with that generation. A number of BMW owners are already seeing this happen with E36 M3's from the 1990's, the ABS systems are failing and there are no electronic parts for those early generation machines. So they adapt by using some E46 series units and modify them to fit. For now. There will always be a few 50 year old cars running of course, but they will not be in any quantity.
That’s pretty valid. However, I have a 1988, 944 turbo S and along with engine wheel, suspension and turbo mods, I replace the original ECU with a Motek unit. Definitely not cheap. But the beast still runs and it runs better than ever.
New Porsche's builds (post 993 era) are designed to run for 100K miles, including electonics. if you get more that is great but new cars ARE NOT built like ones ones. older Porsches were all hand built and many example can last past this 100K marker but they need to be maintained religiously and many owners don't know what that means.
I have a 2001 Toyota 4 Runner I put $500 a year in in maintenance (oil change, a light that will go out, **** like that) and it has nearly 300K miles on it. It looks brand new inside and out. How many Porsche's are out there with 300K miles?
Things changed with all auto manufactures about 25 years ago and with all the safety and emissions issues manufactures face cars it is unlikely to return back to the good old days.
With Porsche's the key is to drive them ... use the electronics and they will work. These people who let them sit in their garage are actually doing harm ... every Porsche build is designed to run and run hard.
My DD is 958.2 Cayenne with 170+k miles. I'm expecting to last double that number. Routine maintainance.
Gasoline will be available , I drive an electric car its the future/present there's no escaping that one, but gas will be available in 20 years and probably 50
Yes, the gas will be there. But the ubiquitous gas station may not. You may have to plan a refill and pay a princely price.
Porsche brags that "Over 70% of all Porsche vehicles every built are still on the road today. We make sure it stays that way." That's a Porsche quote. What else is there to say?
I was having a conversation with my brother about old cars, and he says that the reason why you can still use 50+ year old cars today is that they are all mechanical and as long as you keep changing parts you will still be able to drive them. Now that cars are computer based, and software.. I was wondering what that means for a 992 purchased today ? What if the infotainment ,or other electronics go bad in the future ? Thanks!
I wouldn't wax too nostalgic for old tech. When I watch Harry Metcalf balancing the carbs on a Countach listening through a rubber hose with a screw driver, I realize older cars become unfixable when the people who know them die. Regardless of no electronics.
I wouldn't wax too nostalgic for old tech. When I watch Harry Metcalf balancing the carbs on a Countach listening through a rubber hose with a screw driver, I realize older cars become unfixable when the people who know them die. Regardless of no electronics.
Old cars are fun to drive.
Not to own.
Like a hot call girl. Great for a weekend. But not someone to bring home to mom.
Picked up a 993 two months ago to go along with my 992.
I am still working through gremlins in the 70k mile 1995 993 (clutch, motor mounts, shifter bushings, and latest pic attached) but that is just part of the game with old cars and I accept that.
I just purchased a 3 year extended warranty on my 15k mile 2020 C2S because I don’t want to deal with any major issues (like PDK sensors) even though after the first year of minor problems the 992 has been flawless.
The 993 is totally different driving than the 992, softer, more usable rpm, and in many ways smoother and more nimble, but I don’t feel as secure driving it in commute traffic or on the highway. I have always thought I needed a track to fully enjoy the 992 while the 993 is a blast driving around the block.
I’ll keep both as long as I can but would replace the 992 before the 993 anyday.
I’m sad to say that the 992 feels more “disposable” than any other 911 I have had (993,996 gt3,997 turbo). Nothing feels serviceable, rattles from multiple locations. It is a wonderful car to drive and the performance is incredible, however it does not feel like a “long term” car for me like the older cars.
I wouldn't wax too nostalgic for old tech. When I watch Harry Metcalf balancing the carbs on a Countach listening through a rubber hose with a screw driver, I realize older cars become unfixable when the people who know them die. Regardless of no electronics.
I worry about this too. Harry from Harry’s garage just restored his Countach using a guy who worked on the Countach back when they were new. How many young mechanics know how to work on that car?
I’m sad to say that the 992 feels more “disposable” than any other 911 I have had (993,996 gt3,997 turbo). Nothing feels serviceable, rattles from multiple locations. It is a wonderful car to drive and the performance is incredible, however it does not feel like a “long term” car for me like the older cars.
Without question, cars from all brands have become incredibly complex and require computer programming to fix these days, not like 50 years ago. True story going back to Ft Lauderdale Florida....
I was at the beach on a Sunday afternoon in December of 1980 when a stunning 20-year-old blonde with the prettiest long hair was getting in her 1970's Triumph Spitfire after a day in the sand working on her tan and the car would not start. This was before cell phones, so she was flustered and did not know where a pay phone was so she could call her parents for help. She was WAY above my level - girls like her didn't talk to guys like me, usually. I said "Mind if I take a look at it for you? Maybe I can fix it". She was caught a bit off guard but was "OK, I guess". So I popped the hood and because I had owned those sad sack British cars before, I knew exactly where to look. Pulled off the Distributor cap and asked her to look for a business card in the glove box and when I had that, I ran it through the points several times until they were clean, popped the Distributor cap back on, asked her to start it and it fired right up. She said "How did you do that?" To which I merely replied "I know how to fix things". She smiled the best smile and I said boldly "Does that earn me a dinner date with you?" And to my surprise she said "Yes, I like men that can fix things". I married her in 1984 and now in 2023 she drives a Porsche Macan S. Now, if her Macan was dead on the side of the road today I'd be like "I need to go home and get my scanner and pull some codes". Nothing romantic about that!
I do like my 992 better than any other 911 I have ever owned though. Mine is a keeper.
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Without question, cars from all brands have become incredibly complex and require computer programming to fix these days, not like 50 years ago. True story going back to Ft Lauderdale Florida....
I was at the beach on a Sunday afternoon in December of 1980 when a stunning 20-year-old blonde with the prettiest long hair was getting in her 1970's Triumph Spitfire after a day in the sand working on her tan and the car would not start. This was before cell phones, so she was flustered and did not know where a pay phone was so she could call her parents for help. She was WAY above my level - girls like her didn't talk to guys like me, usually. I said "Mind if I take a look at it for you? Maybe I can fix it". She was caught a bit off guard but was "OK, I guess". So I popped the hood and because I had owned those sad sack British cars before, I knew exactly where to look. Pulled off the Distributor cap and asked her to look for a business card in the glove box and when I had that, I ran it through the points several times until they were clean, popped the Distributor cap back on, asked her to start it and it fired right up. She said "How did you do that?" To which I merely replied "I know how to fix things". She smiled the best smile and I said boldly "Does that earn me a dinner date with you?" And to my surprise she said "Yes, I like men that can fix things". I married her in 1984 and now in 2023 she drives a Porsche Macan S. Now, if her Macan was dead on the side of the road today I'd be like "I need to go home and get my scanner and pull some codes". Nothing romantic about that!
I do like my 992 better than any other 911 I have ever owned though. Mine is a keeper.
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Great Inspirational story !... and very true. British, Lucas electrical systems, Yuk !
06-04-2023 | 12:03 PM
