GT500 to a 4S?
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GT500 to a 4S?
Had a 2019 C7Z06 MT - loved that car on the track and was fun around town too. That was replaced by a 2021 GT500 I was lucky enough to get an allocation for. Lots of fun but it’s like wrestling a bear covered in grease on the track. Fun but the word planted isn’t something it inspires…
I have been seriously trolling the for sale C4S’s out there and am considering taking the leap…. But I’m looking for some experiential stories from others… obviously I know horsepower. Am I gonna regret stepping down to the CS/C4S (horsepower wise) - or is the fact that all the power these 922’s produce is usable (technically it is in the GT500 too - for melting tires). I’m also fairly certain that the 922 is a much nicer and well rounded car overall.
I have driven a 991 (might have been a 2012?) once but wasn’t driving it hard - it was a guy who said “you wanna drive my Porsche” - so I was respectful. I loved the car and the handling…
Just looking for stories from folks comparing their experiences in a S or 4S to something high horsepower.
Thanks in advance!
I have been seriously trolling the for sale C4S’s out there and am considering taking the leap…. But I’m looking for some experiential stories from others… obviously I know horsepower. Am I gonna regret stepping down to the CS/C4S (horsepower wise) - or is the fact that all the power these 922’s produce is usable (technically it is in the GT500 too - for melting tires). I’m also fairly certain that the 922 is a much nicer and well rounded car overall.
I have driven a 991 (might have been a 2012?) once but wasn’t driving it hard - it was a guy who said “you wanna drive my Porsche” - so I was respectful. I loved the car and the handling…
Just looking for stories from folks comparing their experiences in a S or 4S to something high horsepower.
Thanks in advance!
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Most GT500’s power capabilities by owners are used for rolling straight line street power, which the 992S isn’t as powerful in stock form. I came from a tuned F82 M4 and so the 992 was slow in that regard (4S even slower due to the weight). However if you tune the S to stage1/2, like I and many have, it’s extremely fast. Almost as fast as a GT500 on rolls. And of course MUCH better handling and control/traction without slippage, and premium interior. So just depends what you want to do with the car.
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Most GT500’s power capabilities by owners are used for rolling straight line street power, which the 992S isn’t as powerful in stock form. I came from a tuned F82 M4 and so the 992 was slow in that regard (4S even slower due to the weight). However if you tune the S to stage1/2, like I and many have, it’s extremely fast. Almost as fast as a GT500 on rolls. And of course MUCH better handling and control/traction without slippage, and premium interior. So just depends what you want to do with the car.
maybe a S would be fine - again haven’t driven but have read that the S hooks as well as a 4S. But the 4S gets you throttle a bit sooner coming out of a corner… at the cost of, as you said, weight.
Im looking for an all around great car (aren’t we all). I don’t need to win every dig. But I don’t want to get walked every time either. I do love the hammer to the chest acceleration from a roll - but my Ecoboost F150 isn’t a slouch. So - I feel like I wouldn’t hate on the S with all the handling it’s got for the twists and track.
Your experience is exactly the kind of “experiences” I’m looking for folks to share! (And I didn’t realize tuning was something you could do on a Porsche… damn… more to learn!)
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No problem mate. I was also looking for the best “all around” car with fast straight line speed (can’t afford a Turbo S lol) so the C2S with the M-engineering tune (by far the best, easiest and most popular tuning platform on here due to all of their features and support) and cats/exhaust fit the bill perfectly. I also looked at NSX (pretty slow roll car for a “supercar”), R8, M8.. but those all compromised something. The 992S is great at almost everything.
60-130 on a GT500 is around 6.8s, a tuned 992S can get you around 7.2s (stock is 9.3), so not that bad.
60-130 on a GT500 is around 6.8s, a tuned 992S can get you around 7.2s (stock is 9.3), so not that bad.
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I’m not doubting that and have run it on the track several times. But it’s an experience it’s also brutal. Like it borders sometimes on unfun simply because it constantly feels like it might kill you.
I love the speed it’s just, I dunno how to say this so I’m just gonna say it, a bit uncivilized. If that makes sense. I’m not bagging on the car at all. I like it a lot. And the sounds are intoxicating. Just looking for stories
I love the speed it’s just, I dunno how to say this so I’m just gonna say it, a bit uncivilized. If that makes sense. I’m not bagging on the car at all. I like it a lot. And the sounds are intoxicating. Just looking for stories
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You might want to think about a 991.1 or 991.2 turbo or turbo S. These provide all the quality elements you would expect from a 911 and they are very fast. The AWD can be launched all day everyday without issue. As you probably know or have seen, while the cars you mention struggle for traction the turbo would be gone and never look back.
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Had a 2019 C7Z06 MT - loved that car on the track and was fun around town too. That was replaced by a 2021 GT500 I was lucky enough to get an allocation for. Lots of fun but it’s like wrestling a bear covered in grease on the track. Fun but the word planted isn’t something it inspires…
I have been seriously trolling the for sale C4S’s out there and am considering taking the leap…. But I’m looking for some experiential stories from others… obviously I know horsepower. Am I gonna regret stepping down to the CS/C4S (horsepower wise) - or is the fact that all the power these 922’s produce is usable (technically it is in the GT500 too - for melting tires). I’m also fairly certain that the 922 is a much nicer and well rounded car overall.
I have driven a 991 (might have been a 2012?) once but wasn’t driving it hard - it was a guy who said “you wanna drive my Porsche” - so I was respectful. I loved the car and the handling…
Just looking for stories from folks comparing their experiences in a S or 4S to something high horsepower.
Thanks in advance!
I have been seriously trolling the for sale C4S’s out there and am considering taking the leap…. But I’m looking for some experiential stories from others… obviously I know horsepower. Am I gonna regret stepping down to the CS/C4S (horsepower wise) - or is the fact that all the power these 922’s produce is usable (technically it is in the GT500 too - for melting tires). I’m also fairly certain that the 922 is a much nicer and well rounded car overall.
I have driven a 991 (might have been a 2012?) once but wasn’t driving it hard - it was a guy who said “you wanna drive my Porsche” - so I was respectful. I loved the car and the handling…
Just looking for stories from folks comparing their experiences in a S or 4S to something high horsepower.
Thanks in advance!
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So - I am sick of not having traction - anywhere. That’s why I was thinking the 4S… (as a kid my lust was an NSX but not a fan of the new ones even tho they have AWD).
maybe a S would be fine - again haven’t driven but have read that the S hooks as well as a 4S. But the 4S gets you throttle a bit sooner coming out of a corner… at the cost of, as you said, weight.
maybe a S would be fine - again haven’t driven but have read that the S hooks as well as a 4S. But the 4S gets you throttle a bit sooner coming out of a corner… at the cost of, as you said, weight.
But, don't believe people who say the S hooks up as well as a 4S. That's simply not true as can be seen in any of the acceleration tests where the 4S is always quicker to 60 and thru the 1/4 mile. While the S has the best traction ever for a RWD car, if you have any interest in tuning it at all... which I assume you would coming from serious high HP muscle cars, you will regret not getting a 4S once you start pushing the power.
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Two different cars, but I encourage you to take the leap. Go enjoy the track a few times, take weekend runs up the canyon & maybe a road trip or two. I’ll wager you will reach a point over a few cold ones one night that you will ask yourself, what have I missed all those years”.
Be forewarned, the 911 gets in your blood. You will have one, or spend every day you are without, working, looking or wishing for the next one! The voice of experience there; sixty-plus years in the saddle :-)
Be forewarned, the 911 gets in your blood. You will have one, or spend every day you are without, working, looking or wishing for the next one! The voice of experience there; sixty-plus years in the saddle :-)
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So - I am sick of not having traction - anywhere. That’s why I was thinking the 4S… (as a kid my lust was an NSX but not a fan of the new ones even tho they have AWD).
maybe a S would be fine - again haven’t driven but have read that the S hooks as well as a 4S. But the 4S gets you throttle a bit sooner coming out of a corner… at the cost of, as you said, weight.
Im looking for an all around great car (aren’t we all). I don’t need to win every dig. But I don’t want to get walked every time either. I do love the hammer to the chest acceleration from a roll - but my Ecoboost F150 isn’t a slouch. So - I feel like I wouldn’t hate on the S with all the handling it’s got for the twists and track.
Your experience is exactly the kind of “experiences” I’m looking for folks to share! (And I didn’t realize tuning was something you could do on a Porsche… damn… more to learn!)
maybe a S would be fine - again haven’t driven but have read that the S hooks as well as a 4S. But the 4S gets you throttle a bit sooner coming out of a corner… at the cost of, as you said, weight.
Im looking for an all around great car (aren’t we all). I don’t need to win every dig. But I don’t want to get walked every time either. I do love the hammer to the chest acceleration from a roll - but my Ecoboost F150 isn’t a slouch. So - I feel like I wouldn’t hate on the S with all the handling it’s got for the twists and track.
Your experience is exactly the kind of “experiences” I’m looking for folks to share! (And I didn’t realize tuning was something you could do on a Porsche… damn… more to learn!)
I made the very expensive mistake of doing a GT4/GT3 (992) Porsche Experience track day. 45 minutes in the 992 GT3 and I was searching for a 992 Carrera S on the drive back to the hotel.
Holy, ****. 45 day later I had a 2020 Carrera S delivered. My track Mustang is up for sale soon.
The C2S hooks 10X over what I thought it would, even in the rain. Corners are unbelievable. The rear engine design is something you can’t replicate. The technology of the entire chassis/engine management system is insane. It’s been at the Motorsport shop the past few weeks for springs, camber plates, pads, fluid, etc. My first scheduled track day is this Saturday if they can get the codes it through sorted out.
My guess would be you’d never look back after going into a 992 of any version.
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I also second getting an S or GTS over the all-wheel drive variety. Unless you’re primarily interested in tuning for straight line speed. Another bonus for the rear drive is the extended range fuel tank option, love the extra mileage, especially for those gas eating track days.
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I had S, base and 4S in the past. For track fun I really prefer RWD. There's a tendency for understeering on AWD cars, even on the 4S, which is supposed to be RWD for the most part. Also, added weight on an already heavy platform. The trunk is a bit smaller.
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I come from a modified and tuned AMG C63s RWD and same experience - couldn’t use the power w/o loosing the rear even on straight line acceleration. The 992 does not give you the punch in the chest as the superb roaring V8 but it makes up for tickles in the corners.