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Old 04-21-2023, 11:18 AM
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The exclusive design have the great Fuchs throwback look. I chose them for that reason. They are definitely expensive, especially when painted, but In person I think they look fantastic. Just an added bonus that they're forged as well.
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Originally Posted by gatorfast
Does it really matter that much? You would never know unless someone told you how the wheels were produced.
It matters a lot - ED wheels are mono forged and lighter and stronger than those cast wheels. As someone else said, they are also easy to clean and have the classic Fuchs look,

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Originally Posted by X-PH.COM - MIKE
i prefer the exclusive, but you cant go wrong with either choice.
I liked the 991 version of the " Exclusive " -style wheel design better because the spokes were chunkier like with the 80s Fuchs wheels. To my eye the 992 version's spokes became too slender so have lost the " daisy petal " shaping as shown best in pic 3

991 version as on my PCA60th Anniv GTS Club Coupe :
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Originally Posted by Tobeit
It matters a lot - ED wheels are mono forged and lighter and stronger than those cast wheels. As someone else said, they are also easy to clean and have the classic Fuchs look,
How much lighter are they? Are Porsche cast wheels prone to failure whereby the strength of a forged wheel is needed?

I am not saying there is no difference in these wheels, I am just saying the car would not feel or drive any differently and therefore if someone prefers the aesthetics of the cast wheel over the forged wheel, its foolish to choose the forged simply because of that aspect when its something that has no discernable impact (other than perhaps the mental aspect).
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Originally Posted by Staffie Guy
I went with the classics as I just love the look. Just curious-what is the advantage of forged wheels-is it just weight or is it also stronger.
The typical wheel alloy for wrought wheels like the Exclusive will be 6061-T6 which has a much higher tensile (breaking) and yield (permanent plastic deformation) strengths than typical high silicon casting alloys. This higher strength enables elements of the wheel to be thinner and thus lower weight. There are also fatigue strength advantages with the fine grain structure created by forging (high temperature deformation), solution heat treating and aging to peak strength in a forged wheel. Sorry for getting too geeky, but a lot goes into the metallurgy of the two solutions, but as is typical, the higher performing material will have more costly processing.
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both are great looking wheels, I personally like the classics better. it's a matter of taste in the end. here is another guards red pic


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Old 04-21-2023, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by gatorfast
How much lighter are they? Are Porsche cast wheels prone to failure whereby the strength of a forged wheel is needed?

I am not saying there is no difference in these wheels, I am just saying the car would not feel or drive any differently and therefore if someone prefers the aesthetics of the cast wheel over the forged wheel, its foolish to choose the forged simply because of that aspect when its something that has no discernable impact (other than perhaps the mental aspect).
Well, many 992 owners are just happy with any of the none-forged - nothing wrong with it. But my comment was to the notion "there are no differences, it does not matter how they are made". Well it does, question is does it matter to you. To me, it matters - I can discern 5lbs difference on the unsprung mass of each wheel. The average driver would not know until you mount them back to back and drive and then you will feel the difference. Users who purchase even lighter forged wheels will be able to tell you why they spend 10k+ on mono block forged... No, cast wheels don't have a known issue to get damaged - but forged just withstand abuse better when hitting a pothole etc. (it would be terrible if cast wheels had known issues - people can die when a wheel cracks!).
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Both wheels look great to me so I don't think you will be unhappy with either one but I went with the Exclusive Design with gloss black paint as I too like the throwback look they provide and their ease of cleaning. I also did my window trim in silver to match my wheels.






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This thread is resembling the debate between a forged blade vs. a cast cavity back golf irons... which one is "better"? :-)
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Originally Posted by jfb992
The typical wheel alloy for wrought wheels like the Exclusive will be 6061-T6 which has a much higher tensile (breaking) and yield (permanent plastic deformation) strengths than typical high silicon casting alloys. This higher strength enables elements of the wheel to be thinner and thus lower weight. There are also fatigue strength advantages with the fine grain structure created by forging (high temperature deformation), solution heat treating and aging to peak strength in a forged wheel. Sorry for getting too geeky, but a lot goes into the metallurgy of the two solutions, but as is typical, the higher performing material will have more costly processing.
Thank you for the easy to follow technical response.
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To me those wheels suit different colors. I have Classics on my GT silver, but guards red looks better with the exclusives IMO.
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Can depend on the build, but 9/10 times I am taking the ED rims

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Appreciate all the feedback. I feel pretty confident saying that, aesthetically, I prefer the Classics. However, it's not by huge margin so given the fact the ED are forged, the ease of cleaning, etc. I'm still firmly sitting on the fence, lol. Oh well, I've still got another week before my order locks to obsess over **** that doesn't matter all that much
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Originally Posted by MKW
I liked the 991 version of the " Exclusive " -style wheel design better because the spokes were chunkier like with the 80s Fuchs wheels. To my eye the 992 version's spokes became too slender so have lost the " daisy petal " shaping as shown best in pic 3

991 version as on my PCA60th Anniv GTS Club Coupe :
‘Agree 100%. 991 version looks better… like a modern Fuchs wheel. 992 version gives me no Fuchs vibe at all b/c of how thin and long the arms are.


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