Elliotw44

997.1 Maybe 997.2 Yes

dhirm5

T is still much bigger and heaver then the older gen 911s. It's a different car with a supposedly similar purpose, but I don't think there's enough diff in base/T/S/GTS to rationally compare any of them to a 997.

Wilder

I didn't specify peak for ICE. I meant cars in general. Very few people can properly use 400HP. Most econo boxes now have the HP of a G series. It's the same with computers and phones. We don't really need more RAM and bigger drives. We also can't see higher definition than about 4k so we don't need better cameras. Now that we're here, designers will be pressed to make things interesting in different ways, which could redefine the car.

A 993 is quoted to weigh about 3050lbs. But that's before the new way of measuring weight where they take the car with the common options. 3,050 is a eruo spec car you couldn't even order in the US without radio, AC, roof, rear seats, etc. In reality, most 993s weigh in around 3,200 lbs. I know. I've owned four. The T weighs 3,240. So no, not really. And it's the same with performance. There's a track battle on Youtube between a 992 base and a 996TT. Look it up when you have.a sec, it's interesting. The 996 has 420HP vs. the base's 380, the TT weighs 3,400 lbs vs. around 3,300 lbs. for the 992. And yet, in a one-mile course the 992 won by 3 whole seconds. Yes, it's bigger. I thought it was heavier too but when you do the math, it really isn't. And you're right, no new 911 compares to a 15 y/o 911 because.... it's 15 -year older tech. A lot has changed since.

XrussianX

Only 997 cars that can compete with the slowest 992 would be turbos and GT3’s

Those are the only 997s I’d go for. But you are looking at 992 4S-GTS pricing. You gotta really love that gen

RichJ_cars

After test driving, I prefer the 997s to the newer cars. I just gave up my allocation for a 992 today actually. I'd rather have the character of the older cars. The fact that they are slower and have less tech is beside the point of owning a Porsche to me. I have other objectively fast cars. Driving a Porsche is first and foremost about the driving experience to me.

Fullyield

I much prefer my 992S over my 991S which I preferred over my 997.2S and 997.1S. Each was a substantial upgrade over the previous platform.

detansinn

To be clear, the 992 delivers an excellent driving experience. Porsche fixed up the rear-end dynamics of the car with 991 and the front-end with the 992. You’re not giving up “driving experience” with Porsche’s latest and greatest.

With that being said, good to see that you’re going with your own preference. Enjoy that 997! It’s by no means slow, especially on a technical road where you can put that rear grip to use.

aggie57

If there is one thing that would take me back to a 997.2 it's the steering; for all the improvements Porsche has made with electric power assistance it's ultimately still not as good as the 997 in terms of feel. I say that having lived and owned both over several years each; in a 997 you get subtlety, real finger tips / know exactly what each inch of the front tires are doing type stuff which is still not quite there even in the latest cars. The 992 is a very very good electric setup, but the 997 was, well, amazing.

I don't have a Taycan but based on my Polestar 2 I'd agree; mine has their over-the-air performance upgrade so 350Kw/476hp and 502 lb-ft of torque all available immediately with a slight flex of the ankle in a way that blows your mind. And smooth, seamless, all that stuff. It scares me a little how people will perceive the current 911 once the all-electric 718 appears; could well be that overnight our cars become really old.

And yeah, if I still had my 997.2 that old PCM would have long ago hit the trash in favor of a new head-unit.

Staffie Guy

I like tech in a car and the newer the better. However, I do wish the 992 was smaller.

Wilder

I wonder what's going to happen to the elevated prices of ICE modern collectables like the 4.0 997 RS and the 911R if suddenly EVs leapfrog ICE cars and become the staple.

My preferred solution for PCM.

pro1200

I just bought a '12 Carrera GTS to replace my '07 Carrera S. I tried to get interested in a 991.2 ('17-'18) GTS as there were many to choose from. While the 450 HP twin turbo engine of the 991.2 GTS is alluring, the longer wheelbase was a concern for me as I suspected this would make the car less agile than the 997. I don't look at a 911 as a means of transportation-it is a machine used to create an experience. I don't plan on ever buying another car.

icanthelpit

I like my 992 best of all the 911's I've owned going back to a 1984 (bought in 1985) for driving comfort and technology. For pure toy use, the last of my favorites were made in 1998. Of those, the 1987-1989 are my favorites.

gcurnew

I'm about as interested in a 10- to 14-year-old car as I am in a 2011 iPhone or computer. I had a 997.2 GTS; it was good (then) but my 992 is just plain better. Heck, my GR Supra 3.0 kills a 997.2 in every objective and subjective measure that matters to me (faster, more "lively," better built, more comfortable).

Fullyield

You realize that the overall length difference is 60 millimeters which is about 2 inches?

3uros

I get the nostalgia for the older generation 911s as they all have their own unique "character," but I wouldn't conflate character with competence as the 992 is the most competent 911 ever. Though, the 992 does loose some of that quirky 911 charm for the sake of being a more capable vehicle but that's just progress. I still think Porsche is aware of what it needs to do to remain loyal to its original brand values unlike BMW, which has totally flipped its script during the last 10 years chasing higher sales volumes.