Buyers remorse
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Hi guys just traded in my 991.2 2017 targa for a 2023 gts targa and I just drove home with it. Let me say this. I hate the new 992. I’m so upset I traded my car in. This 992 is so cheap in the interior compared to last one. All plastic and flimsy. Even the glove compartment door is cheap. The seat belts Even feel flimsy. I am pretty upset but I guess I’m stuck for awhile. Does anyone else feel this way. ?? Thanks for letting me vent. Evio
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Certainly sounded like a joke when I first read it.
Every generation of 911 is an improvement and a significant step forward whether the air cooled only fist pounders believe so or not.
It would be interesting to take the a guy who pines for a 911 of decades gone by for a ride in my '87 930 if I still had it immediately after he drove his new 992. A universe of difference, as in not compareable. Compare a 2001 Z06 with a C8 Z06, same concept, worlds of improvement.
The old 911s were fun but really more of a sophisticated go cart that was not very comfortable, a bit of a widow maker, and didn't look different to the casual observer than a VW Bug.
The current 992 is absolutely awesome and superior in every way to any prior generation.
Every generation of 911 is an improvement and a significant step forward whether the air cooled only fist pounders believe so or not.
It would be interesting to take the a guy who pines for a 911 of decades gone by for a ride in my '87 930 if I still had it immediately after he drove his new 992. A universe of difference, as in not compareable. Compare a 2001 Z06 with a C8 Z06, same concept, worlds of improvement.
The old 911s were fun but really more of a sophisticated go cart that was not very comfortable, a bit of a widow maker, and didn't look different to the casual observer than a VW Bug.
The current 992 is absolutely awesome and superior in every way to any prior generation.
Something is gained and something is lost with every generation.
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Dude, if you bought a freakin' TARGA GTS and didn't option the extended leather/insist on it being the most basic do-or-die option in a pre-owned vehicle you only have yourself to blame - feel like this has been pointed out a million times on this forum. Any trim level looks horrendous with it, but it should frankly be illegal in the Targa (or anything that isn't the most basic base model).
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can you share some photos of your interior where you upgraded beyond leather seats? I have a GTS and selected the Bordeaux and Black leather. That was it for the interior leather selection and seems good enough to me - want to see pics of what I missed out on and made my car horrendous!
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Hello everyone. I’m the one that started this topic. Yesterday I picked up my fully loaded targa gts about 197,000. Full leather ,all the bells and whistles and when I pulled out of the dealer a guy cut me off and is scratched two wheels and cut two tires only one minute into ownership of said new car. So I was very upset ,then I drove car home and felt it little flimsy inside. Lot of plastic,did not like side view mirrors ,very boxey But overall I felt not the level interior of a 200000 car. I felt my last one with LTS ascot interior was nicer. I may just have been upset at my stupidity of my wheel situation. But anyway after driving this morning and reading all these comments my feeling is that the Germans put there emphasis on the engineering more then the interior where as the Italians put it on the interior with lousy engineering. Anyway I’m better today and these comments are just my opinion so no need to throw any digs my way. Thanks everyone. Evio
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Hello everyone. I’m the one that started this topic. Yesterday I picked up my fully loaded targa gts about 197,000. Full leather ,all the bells and whistles and when I pulled out of the dealer a guy cut me off and is scratched two wheels and cut two tires only one minute into ownership of said new car. So I was very upset ,then I drove car home and felt it little flimsy inside. Lot of plastic,did not like side view mirrors ,very boxey But overall I felt not the level interior of a 200000 car. I felt my last one with LTS ascot interior was nicer. I may just have been upset at my stupidity of my wheel situation. But anyway after driving this morning and reading all these comments my feeling is that the Germans put there emphasis on the engineering more then the interior where as the Italians put it on the interior with lousy engineering. Anyway I’m better today and these comments are just my opinion so no need to throw any digs my way. Thanks everyone. Evio
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911 generations have waxed and waned in terms of general interior quality and fit and finish, aka the 993 to 996 gen interiors. What hasn't waxed/waned is the performance gains from gen to gen. The new generation has always been faster and dynamically better, objectively.
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Hello everyone. I’m the one that started this topic. Yesterday I picked up my fully loaded targa gts about 197,000. Full leather ,all the bells and whistles and when I pulled out of the dealer a guy cut me off and is scratched two wheels and cut two tires only one minute into ownership of said new car. So I was very upset ,then I drove car home and felt it little flimsy inside. Lot of plastic,did not like side view mirrors ,very boxey But overall I felt not the level interior of a 200000 car. I felt my last one with LTS ascot interior was nicer. I may just have been upset at my stupidity of my wheel situation. But anyway after driving this morning and reading all these comments my feeling is that the Germans put there emphasis on the engineering more then the interior where as the Italians put it on the interior with lousy engineering. Anyway I’m better today and these comments are just my opinion so no need to throw any digs my way. Thanks everyone. Evio
I'm not sure it's accurate that the Italians put less emphasis on engineering and more on interior. It's hard to argue against Ferrari's expertise in engines, whereas their interior design is a lot more haphazard and disorganized than Porsche's. You may be able to do more tailoring of almost any leather and carbon option you want, but many of the actual switches and other things you touch aren't exactly perfect in a Ferrari. Unless you go full Rolls Royce, where virtually everything is metal, leather and wood, it's hard to find any interior that doesn't have some of what you're talking about.
The switches and buttons (yes, even on the 992 911) on a Porsche are eons better than those on a Ferrari, which always have a rubbery feel (before they suffer from the dreaded "sticky button" syndrome) whereas the Porshce buttons have that inescapable Germanic reassuring solidity and clickety-clack feel to them.
As far as UI and UX, the PCM (no matter what version) is more intuitive and easier to use than a Ferrari UI, which often looks like something out of an 1980s Atari game console.
I don't know about anyone else, but yesterday I sat in my wife's 991.1 911 C4S, and then had a chance to sit a base 992 911 that was at the dealership and I will say from this person's perspective everything about the 992 felt (1) better, (2) more intuitive and (3) just more modern.
I wish I could transport the 992 911 interior into the 991 911 and I would arguably have the best of both worlds. A NA flat-six with a modern UI and interior.
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The leather in a Ferrari is eons better than any leather that Porsche has ever put out.
The switches and buttons (yes, even on the 992 911) on a Porsche are eons better than those on a Ferrari, which always have a rubbery feel (before they suffer from the dreaded "sticky button" syndrome) whereas the Porshce buttons have that inescapable Germanic reassuring solidity and clickety-clack feel to them.
As far as UI and UX, the PCM (no matter what version) is more intuitive and easier to use than a Ferrari UI, which often looks like something out of an 1980s Atari game console.
I don't know about anyone else, but yesterday I sat in my wife's 991.1 911 C4S, and then had a chance to sit a base 991 911 that was at the dealership and I will say from this person's perspective everything about the 992 felt (1) better, (2) more intuitive and (3) just more modern.
I wish I could transport the 992 911 interior into the 991 911 and I would arguably have the best of both worlds. A NA flat-six with a modern UI and interior.
The switches and buttons (yes, even on the 992 911) on a Porsche are eons better than those on a Ferrari, which always have a rubbery feel (before they suffer from the dreaded "sticky button" syndrome) whereas the Porshce buttons have that inescapable Germanic reassuring solidity and clickety-clack feel to them.
As far as UI and UX, the PCM (no matter what version) is more intuitive and easier to use than a Ferrari UI, which often looks like something out of an 1980s Atari game console.
I don't know about anyone else, but yesterday I sat in my wife's 991.1 911 C4S, and then had a chance to sit a base 991 911 that was at the dealership and I will say from this person's perspective everything about the 992 felt (1) better, (2) more intuitive and (3) just more modern.
I wish I could transport the 992 911 interior into the 991 911 and I would arguably have the best of both worlds. A NA flat-six with a modern UI and interior.
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As an aside, when I was in Italy in 2012, I got a private tour of the Schedoni leather "factory" (more like a converted house) from Mr. Schedoni himself. Fascinating.
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Hello everyone. I’m the one that started this topic. Yesterday I picked up my fully loaded targa gts about 197,000. Full leather ,all the bells and whistles and when I pulled out of the dealer a guy cut me off and is scratched two wheels and cut two tires only one minute into ownership of said new car. So I was very upset ,then I drove car home and felt it little flimsy inside. Lot of plastic,did not like side view mirrors ,very boxey But overall I felt not the level interior of a 200000 car. I felt my last one with LTS ascot interior was nicer. I may just have been upset at my stupidity of my wheel situation. But anyway after driving this morning and reading all these comments my feeling is that the Germans put there emphasis on the engineering more then the interior where as the Italians put it on the interior with lousy engineering. Anyway I’m better today and these comments are just my opinion so no need to throw any digs my way. Thanks everyone. Evio
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The brothers from Oil Stain Lab (who made the Half Eleven car that wowed at Car Week recently) actually spent a few years at a car design school in Italy during high school. They said that the Italian approach to car design is to make the most beautiful body you can that will accommodate the engine and layout you intend to use, then figure out how to make the meat cargo fit in it somehow. Sounded about right to me.