Michelin Pilot Alpin 5 tire concerns
12-15-2022, 02:18 PM
#16
I have my Alpin 5's on since a couple of weeks, and they are a massive improvement in the conditions I drive in (-8 to +10 celsius / 17 to 50 F), often in wet or damp conditions...
Do you have any plans to track your car during the colder months?
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12-15-2022, 03:38 PM
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12-16-2022, 05:34 AM
#18
Three Wheelin'
I know for a fact that they offered on the turbo under the NA5 spec. Not sure if they are for the Carrera models, but one could easily fit the turbo ones on a Carrera.
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12-16-2022, 06:09 AM
#19
Long time lurker, first time poster. Adding some personal experience to this conversation:
I have my Alpin 5's on since a couple of weeks, and they are a massive improvement in the conditions I drive in (-8 to +10 celsius / 17 to 50 F), often in wet or damp conditions, no ice or snow yet. The set I have is Porsche-specific, so they carry the NA0 label, and behave exceptionally well. Traction over Goodyear Eagle's in similar conditions (also NA0) is massively improved, and there is no issue with overheating, weird handling, etc. even after several hours on the Autobahn at 200 - 240 km/h (125 - 150 MPH). The cold asphalt and near-freezing temperatures keep the rubber temp under control, I guess. At high speeds, keeping enough temperature in the tire is more of a concern than overheating (track use is different - talking about autobahn use here).
I agree that there's not a lot of specific detail available on these tires, but they function exceptionally well. One of the tests I read mentioned sideways grip (long fast corners) in the wet was below average, so I keep that in mind while driving. This does not seem to be an issue in the test mentioned above. Otherwise, yes, you can easily run these at 150 MPH for long stretches, and yes they are offered by Porsche dealerships here in Europe as winter sets (in 20/21 inch too, which is what I am running).
I have my Alpin 5's on since a couple of weeks, and they are a massive improvement in the conditions I drive in (-8 to +10 celsius / 17 to 50 F), often in wet or damp conditions, no ice or snow yet. The set I have is Porsche-specific, so they carry the NA0 label, and behave exceptionally well. Traction over Goodyear Eagle's in similar conditions (also NA0) is massively improved, and there is no issue with overheating, weird handling, etc. even after several hours on the Autobahn at 200 - 240 km/h (125 - 150 MPH). The cold asphalt and near-freezing temperatures keep the rubber temp under control, I guess. At high speeds, keeping enough temperature in the tire is more of a concern than overheating (track use is different - talking about autobahn use here).
I agree that there's not a lot of specific detail available on these tires, but they function exceptionally well. One of the tests I read mentioned sideways grip (long fast corners) in the wet was below average, so I keep that in mind while driving. This does not seem to be an issue in the test mentioned above. Otherwise, yes, you can easily run these at 150 MPH for long stretches, and yes they are offered by Porsche dealerships here in Europe as winter sets (in 20/21 inch too, which is what I am running).
I turned down a 20/21" winter wheel/tire set for my 4 GTS because they arrived at the dealership with Continental WinterContact TS 860S.
Instead, I'm planning to ditch my PZeros (with 4,500 miles on them) for just a tire swap to Alpin 5s.
Curious how they perform on long distance drives between the Pacific Northwest and the Bay Area over the coming months.
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12-16-2022, 07:41 AM
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and I didn’t think you could put the wheels from a turbo on the Carrera?
12-16-2022, 08:27 AM
#21
Three Wheelin'
While the turbo winter wheels cannot be fitted on a Carrera, one can install the NA5 turbo spec PA5 on the Carrera winter wheels, they are of the same 20x8.5 and 21x11 sizes (the offsets differ), or any aftermarket wheel of the same size for that matter.
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12-16-2022, 09:55 AM
#22
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Yes, either with the Michelin PA5 or Goodyears Ultragrip Performance. When I purchased my set, I really wanted the PA5, but sadly none were to be had in stock (my SA even looked at stock in Europe), so I had to settle for the Goodyears.
While the turbo winter wheels cannot be fitted on a Carrera, one can install the NA5 turbo spec PA5 on the Carrera winter wheels, they are of the same 20x8.5 and 21x11 sizes (the offsets differ), or any aftermarket wheel of the same size for that matter.
While the turbo winter wheels cannot be fitted on a Carrera, one can install the NA5 turbo spec PA5 on the Carrera winter wheels, they are of the same 20x8.5 and 21x11 sizes (the offsets differ), or any aftermarket wheel of the same size for that matter.
But that said, I don't think the PA5 were specifically designed for the 992
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12-16-2022, 10:00 AM
#23
They are winter tires. [...] Wait until it warms back up and the summers are back on.
I agree... your question is absurd.
Huh? I don't even think they are available on the OEM winter sets....
So when you buy the OEM winter tire and wheel set from Porsche it comes with PA5s??
I don't think the PA5 were specifically designed for the 992
12-16-2022, 10:03 AM
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And rather than stating facts "The Turbo wheels will not fit on the base and S" - I take a more mile approach - confirming what I already know in the form of a question. You might consider going to finishing school so you were more approachable and people would want to help you. It is amazing.
And seriously, I'm still laughing about our first post.
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12-16-2022, 10:09 AM
#25
You want to slow way down and go easy...
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12-16-2022, 10:28 AM
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12-16-2022, 11:01 AM
#27
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No clue where you live - but/and - salted roads and streets just don't provide the grip of a dray warm road - no matter what tire you have. If you drive the car in the winter on winter tires like you do in the summer on summer tires, then you are simply a danger to the rest of us and should keep your car in the garage - for our safety and yours.
THIS. I live in Buffalo, NY, last month we got 81" of snow in 24 hours here. You don't go flying around any snow covered roads with the same vim and vigor as you do on dry roads, you learn that when you're 16. I've been buying Blizzaks for my vehicles since they became available. No one drives in the winter like they do in the summer nor do they expect regardless of what tires are on their vehicle, tire specs be damned. So like others in this thread have alluded, your original post OP is rather ridiculous. Drive fast, take chances must make sure you're nowhere near anyone else so it's only you that is endangered.
12-16-2022, 11:03 AM
#28
Sometimes it's interesting to see what a part-time troll's (doug_999) post history looks like. Here are a couple examples:
On 27 Jun 2020 you started a thread "Leather Dash"
So, a couple years ago you asked other Rennlisters to be nice to you, since you were new to the forum. Now you're unwilling to extend that same courtesy to others.
26 Jun 2022, "The sunroof switch drives me NUTS":
A few months ago you realized that your venting could strike others as silly or even absurd, and were anticipating the possibility of being attacked. Isn't it great when you're the one doing the attacking, not the one being subject to it?
Cowards make the worst bullies, wouldn't you agree?
On 27 Jun 2020 you started a thread "Leather Dash"
First time poster... Be nice please
26 Jun 2022, "The sunroof switch drives me NUTS":
Venting here.. Flame suit on...
Cowards make the worst bullies, wouldn't you agree?
12-16-2022, 11:05 AM
#29
You don't go flying around any snow covered roads with the same vim and vigor as you do on dry roads
No one drives in the winter like they do in the summer
12-16-2022, 11:18 AM
#30
Three Wheelin'
Carrera winter sets can be had in either 19/20" or 20/21" sizes. The picture in the configurator actually shows the 20/21 set shod with Michelin tires, not clear if they are PA5 though. However, looking at the Michelin website, they offer N0 spec PA5 in the Carrera 245/35R20 and 295/30R21 sizes, those could very well be 992 Carrera spec PA5 (would need to confirm).
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