GTS PowerKit for Carrera S ???
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In other news….
DREW: “I'd guess they added Turbo brakes and suspension because the GTS power put them past some safety/reliability threshold on the S brakes and suspension.”
Sure, the extra 30 hp pushed the GTS “past some safety limit”. Bwhahahahaahaha. Do you really own a Porsche?? Track much?
DREW: “I'd guess they added Turbo brakes and suspension because the GTS power put them past some safety/reliability threshold on the S brakes and suspension.”
Sure, the extra 30 hp pushed the GTS “past some safety limit”. Bwhahahahaahaha. Do you really own a Porsche?? Track much?
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My comment was only about the turbo. It does NOT have a larger turbo than the S. The GTS slight bump in power, of 30 hp, is due to software keeping the waste-gate closed longer to build peak pressure of 18.6 psi (from 16). Point being - a 3rd party can do the same to the S, should Porsche decide not to. Personally, I would be interested in a more meaningful 75-100 hp bump from a 3rd party, when dyno/testimonials instill confidence.
But as we all know, Porsche likes to play games when it comes to handing out what car gets what power and features…so they all fall into different boxes and don’t compete against one another. That’s sales and marketing.
As to your other points: (1) the larger brakes equate to a few feet of shorter stopping distances from highway speeds…as verified in actual tests. Not a huge difference ; (2) Do not care about PCM 6.0; (3) the lightweight package might be a thing if I primarily tracked the car, but I have no plans to, and so the lightweight package (if I chose to pay extra for it), would add more noise in the car. For me, that’s a negative.
So, in MY ledger, the score looks something like this (comparing the GTS to the S):
(1) GTS +0.5 for brakes ;
(2) GTS 0 for PCM ;
(3) GTS -1.0 for lightweight package (if I elected to buy it…it ain’t free)
(4) GTS +0.2 for power bump
In the end, I’m not likely to ever notice the differences on the track, and especially, on the street…all that doesn’t justify the added cost, IMO. It’s about the badge, and since I de-badge all my cars, anyway, ….the badge means jack to me. If I want to be serious about the track, I’ll get the GT3.
But as we all know, Porsche likes to play games when it comes to handing out what car gets what power and features…so they all fall into different boxes and don’t compete against one another. That’s sales and marketing.
As to your other points: (1) the larger brakes equate to a few feet of shorter stopping distances from highway speeds…as verified in actual tests. Not a huge difference ; (2) Do not care about PCM 6.0; (3) the lightweight package might be a thing if I primarily tracked the car, but I have no plans to, and so the lightweight package (if I chose to pay extra for it), would add more noise in the car. For me, that’s a negative.
So, in MY ledger, the score looks something like this (comparing the GTS to the S):
(1) GTS +0.5 for brakes ;
(2) GTS 0 for PCM ;
(3) GTS -1.0 for lightweight package (if I elected to buy it…it ain’t free)
(4) GTS +0.2 for power bump
In the end, I’m not likely to ever notice the differences on the track, and especially, on the street…all that doesn’t justify the added cost, IMO. It’s about the badge, and since I de-badge all my cars, anyway, ….the badge means jack to me. If I want to be serious about the track, I’ll get the GT3.
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The TTS chassis is wider than the Carrera and GTS. It’s not the same.
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My comment was only about the turbo. It does NOT have a larger turbo than the S. The GTS slight bump in power, of 30 hp, is due to software keeping the waste-gate closed longer to build peak pressure of 18.6 psi (from 16). Point being - a 3rd party can do the same to the S, should Porsche decide not to. Personally, I would be interested in a more meaningful 75-100 hp bump from a 3rd party, when dyno/testimonials instill confidence.
But as we all know, Porsche likes to play games when it comes to handing out what car gets what power and features…so they all fall into different boxes and don’t compete against one another. That’s sales and marketing.
As to your other points: (1) the larger brakes equate to a few feet of shorter stopping distances from highway speeds…as verified in actual tests. Not a huge difference ; (2) Do not care about PCM 6.0; (3) the lightweight package might be a thing if I primarily tracked the car, but I have no plans to, and so the lightweight package (if I chose to pay extra for it), would add more noise in the car. For me, that’s a negative.
So, in MY ledger, the score looks something like this (comparing the GTS to the S):
(1) GTS +0.5 for brakes ;
(2) GTS 0 for PCM ;
(3) GTS -1.0 for lightweight package (if I elected to buy it…it ain’t free)
(4) GTS +0.2 for power bump
In the end, I’m not likely to ever notice the differences on the track, and especially, on the street…all that doesn’t justify the added cost, IMO. It’s about the badge, and since I de-badge all my cars, anyway, ….the badge means jack to me. If I want to be serious about the track, I’ll get the GT3.
But as we all know, Porsche likes to play games when it comes to handing out what car gets what power and features…so they all fall into different boxes and don’t compete against one another. That’s sales and marketing.
As to your other points: (1) the larger brakes equate to a few feet of shorter stopping distances from highway speeds…as verified in actual tests. Not a huge difference ; (2) Do not care about PCM 6.0; (3) the lightweight package might be a thing if I primarily tracked the car, but I have no plans to, and so the lightweight package (if I chose to pay extra for it), would add more noise in the car. For me, that’s a negative.
So, in MY ledger, the score looks something like this (comparing the GTS to the S):
(1) GTS +0.5 for brakes ;
(2) GTS 0 for PCM ;
(3) GTS -1.0 for lightweight package (if I elected to buy it…it ain’t free)
(4) GTS +0.2 for power bump
In the end, I’m not likely to ever notice the differences on the track, and especially, on the street…all that doesn’t justify the added cost, IMO. It’s about the badge, and since I de-badge all my cars, anyway, ….the badge means jack to me. If I want to be serious about the track, I’ll get the GT3.
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Plus on a GTS by default you get centre locking wheels, yes you can choose 5-bolt ones if you want but for me the centre locks are a negative. If I wanted a car more focused on track use then there's plenty of 991 GT3's around. Having tried a couple on the track, and my 992, the GT3 wins hands down as a road worthy track toy.
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I don't understand the logic behind the thinking that it's a negative that CL wheels are an option. It's like saying that you don't like pizza because you have the option to order it with pineapple (my apologies to anyone that actually likes pineapple on their pizza). Same thing for the lightweight package. Just don't order the anchovies!
I think the better placed criticism is the small selection of available wheels--but I get that Porsche really wants people to only pick black wheels for the GTS (for whatever branding reasons).
I think the better placed criticism is the small selection of available wheels--but I get that Porsche really wants people to only pick black wheels for the GTS (for whatever branding reasons).
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My comment was only about the turbo. It does NOT have a larger turbo than the S. The GTS slight bump in power, of 30 hp, is due to software keeping the waste-gate closed longer to build peak pressure of 18.6 psi (from 16). Point being - a 3rd party can do the same to the S, should Porsche decide not to. Personally, I would be interested in a more meaningful 75-100 hp bump from a 3rd party, when dyno/testimonials instill confidence.
But as we all know, Porsche likes to play games when it comes to handing out what car gets what power and features…so they all fall into different boxes and don’t compete against one another. That’s sales and marketing.
As to your other points: (1) the larger brakes equate to a few feet of shorter stopping distances from highway speeds…as verified in actual tests. Not a huge difference ; (2) Do not care about PCM 6.0; (3) the lightweight package might be a thing if I primarily tracked the car, but I have no plans to, and so the lightweight package (if I chose to pay extra for it), would add more noise in the car. For me, that’s a negative.
So, in MY ledger, the score looks something like this (comparing the GTS to the S):
(1) GTS +0.5 for brakes ;
(2) GTS 0 for PCM ;
(3) GTS -1.0 for lightweight package (if I elected to buy it…it ain’t free)
(4) GTS +0.2 for power bump
In the end, I’m not likely to ever notice the differences on the track, and especially, on the street…all that doesn’t justify the added cost, IMO. It’s about the badge, and since I de-badge all my cars, anyway, ….the badge means jack to me. If I want to be serious about the track, I’ll get the GT3.
But as we all know, Porsche likes to play games when it comes to handing out what car gets what power and features…so they all fall into different boxes and don’t compete against one another. That’s sales and marketing.
As to your other points: (1) the larger brakes equate to a few feet of shorter stopping distances from highway speeds…as verified in actual tests. Not a huge difference ; (2) Do not care about PCM 6.0; (3) the lightweight package might be a thing if I primarily tracked the car, but I have no plans to, and so the lightweight package (if I chose to pay extra for it), would add more noise in the car. For me, that’s a negative.
So, in MY ledger, the score looks something like this (comparing the GTS to the S):
(1) GTS +0.5 for brakes ;
(2) GTS 0 for PCM ;
(3) GTS -1.0 for lightweight package (if I elected to buy it…it ain’t free)
(4) GTS +0.2 for power bump
In the end, I’m not likely to ever notice the differences on the track, and especially, on the street…all that doesn’t justify the added cost, IMO. It’s about the badge, and since I de-badge all my cars, anyway, ….the badge means jack to me. If I want to be serious about the track, I’ll get the GT3.
Plus on a GTS by default you get centre locking wheels, yes you can choose 5-bolt ones if you want but for me the centre locks are a negative. If I wanted a car more focused on track use then there's plenty of 991 GT3's around. Having tried a couple on the track, and my 992, the GT3 wins hands down as a road worthy track toy.