Notices
992 2019-Present The Forum for the Non-Turbo 911
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Rear Wheel Steering

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 01:36 PM
  #1  
Guzzgreg's Avatar
Guzzgreg
Thread Starter
Racer
10 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 464
Likes: 174
From: Parrish Fla.
Default Rear Wheel Steering

Ok finally after ordering my Targa 4s Jan.5 I have to lock in in the next couple of days. My original build had RWS on it…should I keep it on there or delete. Will never track the car. Looking for feedback from anyone who has it. Worth it or not? Also apparently Porsche in their infinite wisdom will not let anybody spec center locks for the Targa. Anybody know why?
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 01:51 PM
  #2  
AG1's Avatar
AG1
Advanced
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 58
Likes: 45
Default

I spec'd RAS. I test drove a regular Carrera S and it felt big, a bit heavy and just not nimble. I then test drove a RAS car and it felt much more nimble. For me, it was an easy decision after driving both back to back.

Is it worth it? For me, yes. I have not tracked my car, but I love to drive on curvy roads and it feels great.

Reply
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 01:52 PM
  #3  
smiles11's Avatar
smiles11
Rennlist Member
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 4,840
Likes: 4,320
From: ^ Laguna Seca
Default

RAS is an option you’ll love if you have it & won’t miss if you don’t. I did experience RAS on track & I didn’t feel any significant difference at higher speeds. It was really the tight low speed turns that left an impression.
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 02:22 PM
  #4  
3rdpedal's Avatar
3rdpedal
Rennlist Member
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 3,226
Likes: 2,628
Default

I have it. To be honest is it fantastic on tight turns/u-turns. However, I have not driven the car hard enough to know how much more nimble it makes it but coming from a non-GT 997, the research I did I feel that it was the right choice.
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 02:45 PM
  #5  
siberian's Avatar
siberian
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 6,703
Likes: 3,033
From: Moose Mtn. Alaska
Default

Have it and for where I live it was the right choice IMHO of course...

siberian
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 03:09 PM
  #6  
ipse dixit's Avatar
ipse dixit
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 18,984
Likes: 15,076
Default

Originally Posted by Guzzgreg
Ok finally after ordering my Targa 4s Jan.5 I have to lock in in the next couple of days. My original build had RWS on it…should I keep it on there or delete. Will never track the car. Looking for feedback from anyone who has it. Worth it or not?
RWS is not about tracking the car. RWS makes the car drive better in all respects, not different.

As I've said elsewhere, RWS is like adding MSG to food. It doesn't make the food taste different, just better, giving the flavors a boost. Same with RWS.

That said, what is driving your hesitancy? Is it the price? While I understand that everyone should have a budget, but the price of RWS (~$2,100), which is less than 2% of the MSRP of your Targa 4S (bone stock without any options). If you are even asking the question whether you should get it, it means that you at least curious about it, esp. since it was part of your original build. Don't let something that is less than 2% of your car's base MSRP deter you from an option that at a minimum piques your interest.
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 03:16 PM
  #7  
Guzzgreg's Avatar
Guzzgreg
Thread Starter
Racer
10 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 464
Likes: 174
From: Parrish Fla.
Default

Originally Posted by ipse dixit
RWS is not about tracking the car. RWS makes the car drive better in all respects, not different.

As I've said elsewhere, RWS is like adding MSG to food. It doesn't make the food taste different, just better, giving the flavors a boost. Same with RWS.

That said, what is driving your hesitancy? Is it the price? While I understand that everyone should have a budget, but the price of RWS (~$2,100), which is less than 2% of the MSRP of your Targa 4S (bone stock without any options). If you are even asking the question whether you should get it, it means that you at least curious about it, esp. since it was part of your original build. Don't let something that is less than 2% of your car's base MSRP deter you from an option that at a minimum piques your interest.
No Not the cost just wondering if I should keep it on the spec sheet. I’m probably going to leave the car specked exactly the way it is with RWS. Thanks
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 03:17 PM
  #8  
Guzzgreg's Avatar
Guzzgreg
Thread Starter
Racer
10 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 464
Likes: 174
From: Parrish Fla.
Default

Anybody know why no center lock wheel option?
Reply
Rennlist Stories

The Best Porsche Posts for Porsche Enthusiasts

story-0

Every Era of 911 Owner Explained in One Sentence

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Thinking of Buying a Porsche? Do These 10 Things First

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

Pixar Pals Turned Into 1-of-1 Porsches!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

Theon Goes Full Carbon Fiber With Stunning New Build

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Genius Porsche-Themed Gifts That'll Make Any Dad or Grad Smile

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

10 Used Porsches Are Selling for Way Too Cheap

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

Tuner Is Converting Porsche 911s Into Shooting Brakes

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

This Coachbuilt Creation Is A Modern Take on the Legendary Porsche 917

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Is This Convertible Cayenne A Steal, Or A Returnless Investment?

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

10 Best Non-Flat Six Porsches You Can Buy For Under $100K

 Joe Kucinski
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 03:38 PM
  #9  
Thescout13's Avatar
Thescout13
Rennlist Member
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2020
Posts: 511
Likes: 259
From: NC
Default

Originally Posted by Guzzgreg
Anybody know why no center lock wheel option?
I don’t think they have ever been for non-GT, non-Turbo, non-GTS cars. I think you can spec the GTS targa with them.
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 04:56 PM
  #10  
slwong23's Avatar
slwong23
Rennlist Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 977
Likes: 465
From: LA <> LV
Default

Originally Posted by smiles11
RAS is an option you’ll love if you have it & won’t miss if you don’t. I did experience RAS on track & I didn’t feel any significant difference at higher speeds. It was really the tight low speed turns that left an impression.
This resonates. I don't have RAS on my C2 but am highly considering it on my GTS order given all the praise I've read about it. Part of me wants to keep it pure and simple, but this option really has me thinking...
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 05:34 PM
  #11  
TuvaD's Avatar
TuvaD
Racer
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 395
Likes: 252
From: Cali
Default

Originally Posted by smiles11
RAS is an option you’ll love if you have it & won’t miss if you don’t. I did experience RAS on track & I didn’t feel any significant difference at higher speeds. It was really the tight low speed turns that left an impression.
Great comment. I've been debating whether to add RAS to my GTS build as well so appreciate this insight.
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 05:41 PM
  #12  
lucycan's Avatar
lucycan
Three Wheelin'
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,518
Likes: 535
From: San Diego
Default

I have it standard on my TT and its great in parking lots. I can also tell its more nimble on the road.
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 06:26 PM
  #13  
Gentian21's Avatar
Gentian21
Racer
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 327
Likes: 219
Default

I have it on my C2S, and unless I were to drive an identical car without RAS back to back with mine, it would be hard to describe how much of a difference it makes. All I can say is that the car handles fantastically, and I love the maneueverability at low speeds and making u-turns. My guess is that RAS doesn't transform the car dramatically, but like some other Porsche options, it just makes things a little better. On a car that costs $120-140,000, it makes sense to add it. There are really no downsides.
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 07:35 PM
  #14  
Bassman51's Avatar
Bassman51
Advanced
 
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 92
Likes: 57
Default

RWS is very noticeable - in a good way - during low speed maneuvers. The reduced turning radius makes it easier to get into parking spaces, into my garage, make sharp turns on streets, etc.

I can’t feel the difference at highway speeds when compared to my departed 997.

I'm glad I have it.
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 07:55 PM
  #15  
siberian's Avatar
siberian
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 6,703
Likes: 3,033
From: Moose Mtn. Alaska
Default

One thing to consider as a hidden cost of RAS: the battery.

Non RAS vehicles have an AGM battery, RAS requires guaranteed and sustained current (as its electrically operated) that AGM can't provide (I believe it's on a 48v step-up system). The battery is half the size and weight and 3 times the cost to replace (today). So some of the weight is offset by lots of cash. I love it on mine.

Just a FWIW and of course YMMV

siberian
Reply



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 09:55 PM.

story-0
Every Era of 911 Owner Explained in One Sentence

Slideshow: Every generation of Porsche 911 attracts a different type of enthusiast, and each one comes with its own very specific personality.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-12 12:49:28


VIEW MORE
story-1
Thinking of Buying a Porsche? Do These 10 Things First

Slideshow: Before you start shopping for your dream Porsche, make sure you've checked these 10 items off your list.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-10 15:28:29


VIEW MORE
story-2
Pixar Pals Turned Into 1-of-1 Porsches!

Slideshow: three Porsche 911s inspired by three iconic Pixar characters!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-09 17:22:06


VIEW MORE
story-3
Theon Goes Full Carbon Fiber With Stunning New Build

Slideshow: Built around a carbon-bodied 964 and a naturally aspirated 4.0-liter flat-six, this bespoke commission highlights how far the restomod formula has evolved.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-06 14:41:46


VIEW MORE
story-4
Genius Porsche-Themed Gifts That'll Make Any Dad or Grad Smile

Slideshow: Looking for gift ideas for you Dad or your newest grad? Look no further than these Porsche-themed ideas.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-12 10:37:13


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Used Porsches Are Selling for Way Too Cheap

Slideshow: These 10 used Porsches offer more driving thrills than their price would suggest.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:11:13


VIEW MORE
story-6
Tuner Is Converting Porsche 911s Into Shooting Brakes

Slideshow: A Polish Porsche specialist is moving ahead with one of the most unusual 911 conversions in recent memory: a shooting brake version of the 991-generation sports car.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-01 19:46:47


VIEW MORE
story-7
This Coachbuilt Creation Is A Modern Take on the Legendary Porsche 917

Slideshow: A Porsche Carrera GT has been transformed into a one-off coachbuilt machine that blends analog supercar engineering with styling inspired by the legendary 917 race cars.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-01 17:06:04


VIEW MORE
story-8
Is This Convertible Cayenne A Steal, Or A Returnless Investment?

Slideshow: A heavily modified Porsche Cayenne convertible with faux wood trim and a long list of flaws recently sold at auction for surprisingly little money.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-29 18:52:37


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Best Non-Flat Six Porsches You Can Buy For Under $100K

Slideshow: If you have $100K to spend on a Porsche but want something a little different, these are the 10 best non-flat six Porsches you can buy.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-28 15:36:11


VIEW MORE