Personal review of first 911.
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I’ve owned both a base 992 & now C2S. There is literally no discernible difference in perceived ‘lag’ in either car. Any notion that an S has more lag than a base is just a product of confirmation bias. The new asymmetrical setup on the turbos all but eliminates any correlation between the 992 & previous gen cars. You’ll need to drive a 991 to appreciate the refined throttle response in the 992. 🍻
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I agree with you that there is more going on than just turbo lag. My Z06 was supercharged but had a discernable lag that related more to the electronics catching up to the driver input. The waste gates had to close and the injectors had to fire, etc. which created a small delay from input to reaction. The absolute best throttle response I've experienced has been in the 991.1. I assume the GT3's are similar.
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I own a bmw m340i and a Tesla model 3 for reference. I’ll be making some comparison along the way.
This is my first Porsche ever, and my opinions/feelings about the car so far. This won’t be comprehensive, just things note worthy to me.
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This is my first Porsche ever, and my opinions/feelings about the car so far. This won’t be comprehensive, just things note worthy to me.
Drive
- There is turbo lag, really noticeable when you floor it from lower speed without building boost, however if you gently accelerate it feels naturally aspirated.
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About turbo lag, read here that there might be more to the delayed response than turbo lag, like throttle response or gear kickdown, I’m happy to be wrong here. Won’t pretend I know all the inner workings of a car.
So I drove it again in manual mode where I did the gear shifting myself. No discernible lag. So it looks like it’s gear change + I’ve been spoiled bad by electric instant torque.
So I drove it again in manual mode where I did the gear shifting myself. No discernible lag. So it looks like it’s gear change + I’ve been spoiled bad by electric instant torque.
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when you care, just keep your porsche in the right rev range by manually choosing gears and problem solved. i think this is why 7mt folk never complain about lag.
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Yep, we have to go looking for it. It's there but in practical terms no different to NA generation 911's.
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Go manual and it’s a non-event as you will probably be in 4th and it’s a very quick drop to 3rd, whoosh off you go.
Having spent 7 months in the C4S, it’s a very easy beast to live with, just know your mechanical limitations, sport and sport+ do what they say, normal is not for pushing on with high revs and snappy changes, high rpm. My little chase with a G63 today required sport and he was a tub of lard filling my windscreen, in normal it would of been a lot of “hurry up and wait”.
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I’ve owned both a base 992 & now C2S. There is literally no discernible difference in perceived ‘lag’ in either car. Any notion that an S has more lag than a base is just a product of confirmation bias. The new asymmetrical setup on the turbos all but eliminates any correlation between the 992 & previous gen cars. You’ll need to drive a 991 to appreciate the refined throttle response in the 992. 🍻
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My choice to opt for a C2S was for three things, none of which were because of the bump in power.
1. LSD
2. PTV+
3. Sport PASM
The extra power is just the icing.
If not for a bit of bad luck with my first 992 (long story) I might still have a base C2. I had the choice of the last available MY20 allocation for a C2S, or a MY21 C2 allocation which would have to sit at port for two months waiting on CARB. I went with the former.
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The base is a terrific car. But if price isn't a big issue, the S is better in many respects. Even if the increased power and torque are of no interest, the S is the gateway to RAS, PDCC, SPASM, torque vectoring, better brakes, and larger tires and wheels (and, of course, a manual gear box if that is desirable). Even the price differential isn't that great if you concede that the S is going to be worth a good bit more on resale. And, even if that resale differential is only half of the premium price for an S (say, about $8000) that means that over a four year ownership period the cost of driving an S is about $2000 a year. I'm not sure I understand the bias against the S that I detect in Rennlist over the past several months. I would presume that those who buy 911's-- particularly enthusiasts, are genuinely gratified by performance, and there is no way that a base is going to outperform an S-- on the track, or on the street.
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The base is a terrific car. But if price isn't a big issue, the S is better in many respects. Even if the increased power and torque are of no interest, the S is the gateway to RAS, PDCC, SPASM, torque vectoring, better brakes, and larger tires and wheels (and, of course, a manual gear box if that is desirable). Even the price differential isn't that great if you concede that the S is going to be worth a good bit more on resale. And, even if that resale differential is only half of the premium price for an S (say, about $8000) that means that over a four year ownership period the cost of driving an S is about $2000 a year. I'm not sure I understand the bias against the S that I detect in Rennlist over the past several months. I would presume that those who buy 911's-- particularly enthusiasts, are genuinely gratified by performance, and there is no way that a base is going to outperform an S-- on the track, or on the street.
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My guess is that the bias has something to do with the fact that it's so hard to test drive a base and S back to back these days, and therefore we lean a bit more on auto journalist opinions (or others on RL). Some of these guys say the base is the pick of the bunch. Perhaps they are considering value, hard to say. I've only driven an S pdk and thought it was amazing. Before I bought my Cayenne, journalists mostly said get the base, you can barely tell the difference. I drove a base and S back to back and the S had a much better motor, well worth the $13k for me, so I went that route. I'm waiting on a 992S but always interested in hearing from those who have spent a lot of time in both.
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