ddodds

This!

John Mclane

I guess there's demos and demos.

Executive demo is most likely an unicorn. Driven by PCNA executives. You'd imagine to be in good shape.

Loaner demos- coin toss, depends on the dealer (I've seen disgusting relatively new demos) and users.

PEC and PTX demos- driven hard on the track, specially the latter. It could be just fine as those cars are resistant, unless it's a manual. Also, the PCCB are a wild card. Not always replaced or properly measured. TTS undergo hundreds and hundreds of launch controls. While the PDK is notoriously strong and it is a lot of fun, I'd rather not have a car that did that. I don't think PCNA swaps PDKs before selling. Those cars go in the litter box and guard rails from time to time.

Used cars- owner (or lease) have some skin in the game.

aggie57

I don't disagree with that. I just called it out because the statement was 'avoid demos' not 'avoid PEC/PTX cars'. I've bought several ex-dealer demo's in the past, Mercedes and Porsche. Mixed experience but great savings and warranty covered the one notable negative event.

John Mclane

I think due diligence is needed when those terms come by. I would get an explanation in writing about where the car came from. It can be useful depending on the state you live. And don't trust CPO as a guarantee that all is good. Certification is ridiculously easy with very low standards (eg aftermarket parts and prior collisions are acceptable).

Laszlo_Laz

Tire replacement at 1300 miles?

That’d raise a red flag for me.

Sounds like battery though. Sitting on a lot for a while.

rk-d

I’ve done PEC at Barber and the brutality with which they treat those TTS is something to behold. Constant launches in blistering heat. Then ***** to the wall runs on the track. Back to back to back to back. All. Day. Long.

The Carreras have it much better at PEC. Basically a conservative follow the leader on the track and some fun at the skip pad.

But the TTS - no way Jose. Those things are hammered with extreme prejudice. I was so impressed by how tough they were, it inspired me to buy a Turbo a few years ago.

John Mclane

The Carreras are properly used on the track on the RSR course. Redline as much as you can. Seldom we would finish a day without a car crapping out for a reason or another. The manual car are constantly over-revved, although there's a limiter for it. We also take them to the dry and wet skidpads. More abuse.

The seats and steering wheel are tires by the end of their tenure. And for those that believe that those engines need to be babysitted as new, I personally got cars with delivery miles and went WOT. I got a beautiful carmine red TTS once literally from the truck, not even stickers, straight to the track. The only cars they treat lightly in the begin are the GT cars, which are driven by the instructors first until they build miles on them.

It's all foods for some, what cannot be in my opinion are dealers hiding or being less than honest about where the cars came from. Demo is a very generic term. Due your homework and ask directly where did it come from. CPO is no guarantee of a well treated car or problem free. CPO is a joke.