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I'm still on the fence and may consider a tune after I'm closer to the end of the warranty period.
But I also hate the idea of taking out the ECU and shipping it.
Yes, I'm with you about the ECU removal, shipping etc., never did it that way before. Hopefully there will be a protocol for end user installation through the OBD port.
This is just total BS. Guys have been modifying and significantly improving the performance of new cars in large numbers for over 50 years.
To imply that a guy who tunes his new 911 is in need of some type of behavioral or mental help is ridiculous.
The vast majority of us are well aware of the stock power level and know whether we are interested in tuning prior to taking delivery.
What you have in these to mod or not to mod threads are guys who either have fear about their factory guarantee or others who just bought a 911 to impress or keep pace with the boys at the club and could care less about performance. Seems as if they feel compelled to enlighten the modification crowd about the error of their ways. Laughable.
A 992 with 450 hp is a good car. A 992 with an other 100 whp is a great car!
Yes, I'm with you about the ECU removal, shipping etc., never did it that way before. Hopefully there will be a protocol for end user installation through the OBD port.
A 992 with 450 hp is a good car. A 992 with an other 100 whp is a great car!
100% agree and for 2 grand. That is some seriously cheap horsepower thanks to the current turbocharged configuration. A 100 square increase with a NA engine would be many times that number and a noticeable change in daily drivability.
Some guys really like the Accessport style tuners which directly connects to the ECM through the OBD port. They make some big time power on the 991.2s. I heard there should be one coming for the 992s.
Cobb will most likely be offering the same kind of system for the 992 as they did for the 991. A lot of people don't like mods on this forum it seems. I am in the market for a 992, but don't have one yet. But the tune on my 19 RS3 was in the same level of increase It is currently 550 hp vs the 400hp it started with,at 20k miles no issues. But I would not hesitate to tune a Porsche. I would do about the same with a 992 which would be the air filters, exhaust with sport cats and a tune. I'd expect this to be a very very reliable setup unless your chasing numbers and getting aggressive with timing. I would probably use Cobb and have it custom tuned by Stratified via logs. 992 is still brand new and these options are not yet available. I would also be servicing my car myself or with my local mechanic and not visiting the dealer at all if possible. The big reason I like the 911 is how easy it is to work on from underneath. It's not like a v10 where its engine out service for everything.
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Cobb will most likely be offering the same kind of system for the 992 as they did for the 991. A lot of people don't like mods on this forum it seems. I am in the market for a 992, but don't have one yet. But the tune on my 19 RS3 was in the same level of increase It is currently 550 hp vs the 400hp it started with 20k miles no issues. But I would not hesitate to tune a Porsche. I would do about the same with a 992 which would be the air filters, exhaust with sport cats and a tune. I'd expect this to be a very very reliable setup unless your chasing numbers and getting aggressive with timing. I would probably use Cobb and have it custom tuned by Stratified via logs. 992 is still brand new and these options are not yet available. I would also be servicing my car myself or with my local mechanic and not visiting the dealer at all if possible. The big reason I like the 911 is how easy it is to work on from underneath. It's not like a v10 where its engine out service for everything.
I'd expect Cobb to be first with their Accessport.
It is abundantly clear as you point out that there are guys here who are anti tuning. I guess if they are afraid to turn up the heat with a tune we shouldn't either. Oh well, some guys wear suspenders and belts.
I don't know about any of you but this is great news to me! IMO APR made the best tune for the 991.2. Unlike a lot of aftermarket "bench" tuners APR does extensive dyno and track testing. Expect great things from their work on the 992...rumored to be dropping this summer!
Cobb will most likely be offering the same kind of system for the 992 as they did for the 991. A lot of people don't like mods on this forum it seems. I am in the market for a 992, but don't have one yet. But the tune on my 19 RS3 was in the same level of increase It is currently 550 hp vs the 400hp it started with,at 20k miles no issues. But I would not hesitate to tune a Porsche. I would do about the same with a 992 which would be the air filters, exhaust with sport cats and a tune. I'd expect this to be a very very reliable setup unless your chasing numbers and getting aggressive with timing. I would probably use Cobb and have it custom tuned by Stratified via logs. 992 is still brand new and these options are not yet available. I would also be servicing my car myself or with my local mechanic and not visiting the dealer at all if possible. The big reason I like the 911 is how easy it is to work on from underneath. It's not like a v10 where its engine out service for everything.
I'm with you on modifying the 992 now rather than waiting.. I have tuned my 2020 992 with exhaust ,cat, ECU and filter. I am not concerned about resale value or negating the Warranty. My mechanic has driven my car and is amazed by the increased performance from these upgrades. Evidently I am the only one my mechanic knows who has done all this in the Midwest.. Years ago I did the same with a BMW E46 M3. I had a full Dinan upgrade short of the supercharger. It sure made a difference at the Mid Ohio . I sold it without difficulty to a BMW enthusiast for a decent return. In the time of Covid19 and restricted life style ,I don't want to wait until the warrant is done to have the car the way I want.
I don't know about any of you but this is great news to me! IMO APR made the best tune for the 991.2. Unlike a lot of aftermarket "bench" tuners APR does extensive dyno and track testing. Expect great things from their work on the 992...rumored to be dropping this summer!
APR does do good work, I especially enjoy their hardware so I expect some fair priced intercoolers and intakes/exhausts. But I would still be leaning towards a custom tune for my location and my car via someone like Stratified. APR, GIAC, and for example Unitronic who tuned my RS3, are great off the shelf tunes and are very conservative in timing with nice gains. The only issue I have is they will not be the best choice to fine tune details. You buy the upgrade and that's it, no matter what else you modify the tune will be the same. If you don't plan on going past bolt-ons I have had a great experience with this kind of tune. But if you want to go a bit further like running blends of E85 or eventually getting into Hybrid Turbocharger upgrades and chasing that 600-1000hp+ they are not the best. I don't think we will see APR offer much past bolt ons.
APR does do good work, I especially enjoy their hardware so I expect some fair priced intercoolers and intakes/exhausts. But I would still be leaning towards a custom tune for my location and my car via someone like Stratified. APR, GIAC, and for example Unitronic who tuned my RS3, are great off the shelf tunes and are very conservative in timing with nice gains. The only issue I have is they will not be the best choice to fine tune details. You buy the upgrade and that's it, no matter what else you modify the tune will be the same. If you don't plan on going past bolt-ons I have had a great experience with this kind of tune. But if you want to go a bit further like running blends of E85 or eventually getting into Hybrid Turbocharger upgrades and chasing that 600-1000hp+ they are not the best. I don't think we will see APR offer much past bolt ons.
APR, AMR, gets a little confusing.
Of the shelf tunes are going to work for the majority who do any tuning. I've used many different tunes of this nature and had great results over the years but have never really gone beyond some basic bolt ons.
I’ve tuned both of my daily driver Audi’s. It was mentioned that a dealer installed/ warrantied tune is the best bet. I thought so too. I had my A4 dealer tuned with StaSiS nearly 10yrs ago. I made an impromptu road trip out of state and my check engine light came on. I took the car to the local dealer and they diagnosed the problem as a simple fix. I forget the exact issue...$85 part, dealer cost. They scanned the car and immediately flagged it TD1 and the factory voided the power train warranty. It did not matter that I had the tune installed by my local at home dealer which was a StaSiS approved dealer. Audi Raleigh was not...so it was left to me to go back and forth with my local dealer, StaSiS, and Audi Raleigh. I got nowhere and it was like hot potato between those 3. At the end of the day I was very close to the end of my powertrain warranty anyway, so I didn’t care. Dealer felt bad for me so only charged me for the sensor at dealer cost. That car was tuned for at least 140K miles and that was the only issue. My current ‘18 S3 has been tuned for most of its life (currently 44k miles with Stage 1 ECU and TCU and intake mods) and so far no issues.
Coming from the Audi world, I’m partial to well known Audi tuners. I’m waiting for APR’s offering and know they put out a quality product. Also it has to be OBD II port access for flash from home. My Unitronic Stage 1 S3 has nothing to my buddy’s APR Stage 2 Golf R. That car is FUN and light. Looking forward to tuning my C2....well before warranty expiration.....simple Stage 1 and bolt-ons.
One question that should at least be asked of any tuner you are thinking of using, given that power and torque increases could pose serious problems with the original Porsche warranty, is simply what, if any, warranty does the tuner provide to you in the event that Porsche denies warranty coverage to your damaged powertrain? These tuning companies do have access to some type of errors and omissions insurance, but I'm guessing it would have to be specifically written to cover the damage that could be attributed to their modification of your powertrain. I would never dream of depending on how long a tuner has been in business, the number of damage claims they will actually admit to, or the unencumbered assets they claim to have. If a tuner does not have specific coverage for what they change in your Porsche I think all of us are pretty much SOL. And, for those of us who may be planning to keep our cars for a long time, well past the four years Porsche provides, the same issue will be there if we then decide to buy an aftermarket extended warranty.
Personally, I think these tuning companies need to provide detailed warranty coverage for their work, backed up by their specifically inclusive insurance coverage- that you can verify. Good luck with getting them to do that.
I am pretty sure APR offers a warranty on their tunes for the 991.2. Can't see why they wouldn't do the same for the 992.
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