robbie9999

Hello,

Thought I would start a thread by asking others on credible information on .2 version, many curious going forward, let's get better understanding of dates, what will be on offer, any electric components (hope not) and other things people know or speculating coming.

John Mclane

On PIWIS 3 there lots of entries for hybrid powertrain. That I would say is a certainty.

robbie9999

Is it certain there will be hybrid and electric involved ? Who would buy the last of the non electric or wait for hybrid

John Mclane

From what I see, lots of mentions of 48v system, so possibly a "mild" hybrid to help with low rpm torque and start-stop lurching and go, similar to the Audi products. I don't think they would add a huge battery pack on this car, it's already a porker. All conjectures.

frankchn

Porsche has a set formula the last few generations, and I don't see many reasons to deviate.

Here is my wild guess for what happens:

• 992.1 GTS will have ~480 hp (up ~30-40 from S)
• 992.2 S inherits the .1 GTS powertrain
• 992.2 GTS will have ~520 hp (up ~30-40 from .2 S)
• 992.2 Turbo will inherit the .1 TTS powertrain, maybe detuned a bit (~625 hp?)
• 992.2 Turbo S may get a hybrid. If they do add hybrid tech, then it needs quite a bit of power to overcome the weight of the electric motor and batteries
• 992.1 GT3 gets 510 hp (we know this already)
• 992.1 GT3 RS gets 530 hp+ (maybe with a 4.2L NA engine)
• 992.2 GT3 gets the powertrain from the .1 3RS
• 992.2 GT3 RS may get some electric assist (maybe across its front axles, similar to what is rumored for the C8 ZR1).

Combine this with the usual visual updates outside and PCM updates inside for the .2 generation.

Adding a hybrid doesn't mean it has to be a PHEV or anything like that with a large battery though. I suspect something similar to but a bit more powerful than the AMG 53 line's integrated starter-generator (currently 21 hp + 184 lb ft of torque) will be more likely.

WCE

Not due till MY 2024 or 25 so plenty of time to speculate - hybrid model for sure to finally take advantage of the electric motor space built into the PDK.
Revised bumper covers, new headlights and DRLs, wheels, colors and minor interior changes - just enough to make our cars look dated!

robbie9999

@frankchn hope this is correct with Carrera S comes with GTS .1 motor

Biersmith

My dealer tells me that the 992 was pre-built for hybrid. Thats why it's bigger and heavier than 991. No word on when or which variants will be involved.

r00t61

A bit surprised that we have not already seen spy shots of a 992.2 test mule with hybrid system working

frankchn

It is going to be close (+/- 10 hp even if not exactly the same). In the 997 generation, the .1 S with X51 PowerKit (GTS didn't exist till 997.2) had 376 hp, and the .2 S standard had 380 hp. In the 991 generation the powertrain didn't carry over as .2 went all turbocharged, but the .1 GTS had 424 hp, and the .2 S had 414 hp.

detansinn

I posted these predictions for the 992.2 to another thread about a year ago...

• Porsche will introduce a new headlight design that will make the older cars look dated -- guaranteed, because they always do this. :P
• Front fascia and rear bumper design changes, possibly inspired by the 992 TT/TTS design tweaks -- guaranteed like above
• Particulate filters will be a strong possibility for all markets as Porsche has indicated so much
• Hybrid revealed as the promised new 911 category/model and priced above the TT/TTS. Carreras won't see a real hybrid drivetrain until after the 992.2
• Manual will finally trickle down to the Base engine in limited markets, like the US, not available elsewhere due to emissions/fuel economy regulations.
• Some previously exclusive S options will trickle down to the Base Carrera to effectively be a T package for the base car to boost sales.
• Heads up display with a Porsche twist, because everyone is doing this now
• Apple's CarKey support for truly keyless entry -- Apple is being aggressive with this

Surge74

There’s a strong chance the hybrid Powertrain will use the 4L NA engine from the GT4/GTS in the Boxster/Cayman. There’s no way Porsche developed the 4L NA just for the GTS/GT4 Boxster/Cayman. When you have electric motor(s) helping with low end torque, and fuel economy, you don’t need the turbos anymore. Removing the turbos also reduces weight and space, and there’s obviously the massive marketing benefit of having a NA 911.
My guess is 992.2 GTS will have this, and 992.2 Turbo (with the turbos, of course).

I think I prefer a non-electric 911 as it’s simpler and “purer”; but all the performance stats will be better with the hybrid drive, of course...

Tompoodie

Except slalom, autocross, and tight low-speed technical canyon roads because of the added weight.

Surge74

Naw, you’re going to have more hp, more torque @ lower rpm. Let’s not kid ourselves - electrification will blow away all the previous 911 stats.
Personally, I’m old school - but make no mistake, our cars don’t stand a chance, on any roads or track.

Noah Fect

That's what I said about the four-bangers in the 718 cars... but no, it appears that they really did build those engines entirely for use in those vehicles.

I guess when you make the world's most profitable production car, you don't have to care about little things like tooling amortization.