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Old Oct 16, 2020 | 01:42 PM
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I’ve received an allocation for a C2S and am looking for some feedback in general and in particular on a couple of options. I’ve searched the site on most options, I couldn’t find on point advice on these. My SA has been at it a long time comes well recommended. He is advising front axle lift and rear axle steering.

I was under the impression RAS is mostly about low speed maneuvability. Is it truly an enhancement as to general handling and worth the expense just as at to that? Reliability?

The photos in the next post show the ribbon gutter outside my home. How likely am I to scrape and to what extent does the 1.5” difference help avoid hits as we drive around? Reliability? Thanks.

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Old Oct 16, 2020 | 01:46 PM
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Old Oct 16, 2020 | 03:44 PM
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You’ve specified SPASM and front axel lift, so you should be ok going onto the drive forwards. The lift is a lot more effective than you’d think. couldn’t live without it on continental Europe.

Since this is your home driveway, it’s probably worth getting some of the rubber bridging blocks though. It just means you’ll never hear a crunch that one time you forget to lift. (Yup, it’s a bad sound!)

RAS is much more than a low speed turning circle. It’s s whole steering behaviour at all speeds. In practice, the car feels smaller and more nimble (a bit less rear engine). I have also noticed that the RAS cars I’ve driven have been less willing / harder to slip the rear, but that may just be perception.

RAS and no-RAS are both good for different reasons. My own sense though is that there is considerable merit to making the base Carrera as analogue as possible ie no RAS, use the heavy rear end, steer on the accelerator, and enjoy the back slipping.

Only other question on your spec is ‘chalk stitching, but red belts and dials’. Doesn’t seem quite ‘tied in’. Maybe red stitching, or chalk dials and black belts.
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Old Oct 16, 2020 | 04:01 PM
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We were able to take several dealer demonstrator cars to our home. This allowed us to see which suspension we could live with and whether or not FAL was necessary. We also have a dip before our driveway and there are five rather serious speed bumps in our neighborhood that must be negotiated any time you are entering or leaving. We discovered that: A.) We did not need FAL to avoid any scraping AND that B.) We definitely did NOT want the performance suspension (lowered 10 mm) due to the speed bumps. Hopefully your dealer can be as accommodating as ours was in allowing multiple and extended "test" drives. Our home is 10 miles each way, from the dealership.
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Old Oct 16, 2020 | 04:08 PM
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Hi.

You’ve specified SPASM and front axel lift, so you should be ok going onto the drive forwards. The lift is a lot more effective than you’d think. couldn’t live without it on continental Europe.

Since this is your home driveway, it’s probably worth getting some of the rubber bridging blocks though. It just means you’ll never hear a crunch that one time you forget to lift. (Yup, it’s a bad sound!)

RAS is much more than a low speed turning circle. It’s s whole steering behaviour at all speeds. In practice, the car feels smaller and more nimble (a bit less rear engine). I have also noticed that the RAS cars I’ve driven have been less willing / harder to slip the rear, but that may just be perception.

RAS and no-RAS are both good for different reasons. My own sense though is that there is considerable merit to making the base Carrera as analogue as possible ie no RAS, use the heavy rear end, steer on the accelerator, and enjoy the back slipping.

Only other question on your spec is ‘chalk stitching, but red belts and dials’. Doesn’t seem quite ‘tied in’. Maybe red stitching, or chalk dials and black belts.
Thanks. If rear axle steering doesn't enhance the experience I'd rather save the money. If the front axle lift is prudent I might as well go for it, I'd be dashed if I don't and do damage. I can't use rubber blocks where I live. There's an association and they've already ruled against it having to do with snow removal and debris blockage during rain or melt events.

As far as the stitching, I was hopeful that the chalk would tie in enough with dash components, including the electronic readouts. Deviated stitching in Guards Red raises the cost and brings things from splashes of red to maybe too much red. Black stitching not quite enough punch.
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EDIT: Just saw that your latest post that your HOA doesn't allow ramps. super bummer. You're just going to have to be careful.

With that driveway, even with FAL, you're going to want ramps. It will eliminate that bump when you come into your own driveway. Totally worth it.

Get a set of these...
https://www.bridjit.com/


I had Bridjit ramps at my old place which had a similar curb. Our new place has a supercar/sports car friendly approach to the driveway and my driveway is heated, so, yeah, big upgrade.

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Old Oct 16, 2020 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by detansinn
EDIT: Just saw that your latest post that your HOA doesn't allow ramps. super bummer. You're just going to have to be careful.

With that driveway, even with FAL, you're going to want ramps. It will eliminate that bump when you come into your own driveway. Totally worth it.

Get a set of these...
https://www.bridjit.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WryX...ture=emb_title

I had Bridjit ramps at my old place which had a similar curb. Our new place has a supercar/sports car friendly approach to the driveway and my driveway is heated, so, yeah, big upgrade.
I've approached my association again since those drain and I can remove them during the winter when I'll be garaging the car. Unfortunately the community is still controlled by the builder and they are not very accomodating. We'll see what they say. Anyways, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Russian Mafia
Driveway entry showing typical modern gutter ribbons:



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This is your driveway?

You're fine without FAL.

Brush up on your elementary geometry and take your car at an angle, and you should be completely scrape free, even on the under body.
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Old Oct 16, 2020 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
This is your driveway?

You're fine without FAL.

Brush up on your elementary geometry and take your car at an angle, and you should be completely scrape free, even on the under body.
I actually peaked in high school geometry. It’s been a struggle ever since.

Thanks that helps.
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Old Oct 16, 2020 | 05:29 PM
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That particular driveway does seem fine, just come in at an angle to be safe. That said, even if my driveway weren't risky (it is), I actually love FAL - there's plenty of other places I go where I've had to use it.
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Old Oct 16, 2020 | 09:29 PM
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I have a SPASM C2S without FAL and wouldn't worry about that driveway. Mine looks much the same and I never scrape on it, it never really occurred to me that I would to be frank.

Yeah, there are times I take entries at an angle but there's a wonderful reminder - all the marks on the pavement from people who've gone before me

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Old Oct 16, 2020 | 09:47 PM
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I like most of it but would skip the power steering plus, the interior leather trim bits, and the chalk stitching.
I'm 160# at 75, and don't need or want the power steering plus. The chalk stitching adds no pizzaz to the interior with those other very nice red interior accents.
If you drive much at night, I like the LED Headlights better.
I'd want the rear logo and model in Black or Red on that one, not chrome.
I also like the Aerokit, but that certainly is a personal preference.
And don't forget the full frontal PPF after delivery.

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Old Oct 17, 2020 | 02:23 AM
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That driveway doesn’t look too bad. Just take it at an angle.
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Old Oct 17, 2020 | 08:35 AM
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Don't bother with FAS. The 992 is pretty easy to drive over bumps/dips. That driveway curb is nothing.

I like RAS and I'd spec it again - plenty of posts on here about it. That said, it's not a deal breaker one way or another.

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Old Oct 17, 2020 | 10:27 AM
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[QUOTE=rk-d;16970148]Don't bother with FAS. The 992 is pretty easy to drive over bumps/dips. That driveway curb is nothing.

I dunno, Front Axle Steering is pretty useful . . .
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