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Old Aug 20, 2020 | 08:33 PM
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Coming from a 991.2 S to a 991.2 GTS to a 992 S, I honestly found the 991.2 S to be the funnest to drive.

When I bought my 992 S, I didnt even test drive it I just knew I wanted out of my 991.2 GTS. But I did drive a BASE 992 while they washed my 992 S. And that was a blast to drive. My 992 S is much much faster. But it takes some of the fun driving aspect out of it. Next time around I will not snub the base model just because its the base model. Just my .2 cents.

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Old Aug 20, 2020 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BIGWORM
Coming from a 991.2 S to a 991.2 GTS to a 992 S, I honestly found the 991.2 S to be the funnest to drive.

When I bought my 992 S, I didnt even test drive it I just knew I wanted out of my 991.2 GTS. But I did drive a BASE 992 while they washed my 992 S. And that was a blast to drive. My 992 S is much much faster. But it takes some of the fun driving aspect out of it. just my .2 cents.
all reviewers say the base has the more fun engine as you get to enjoy everything 0.5-1sec more during the quick blasts. however, where i live, base is for stripper cars and S for hightly optioned so if resale is a concern, so my dealer said if getting a stripper go base and if heavily optioned and you want to get some value back later, then S.
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Old Aug 20, 2020 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by doug992
cheaper .. i think that's the plain and simple reason

its not a matter of trusting a manufacturer .. manufacturers always leave a ton of headroom on engines .. they don't give you a 300 hp car with a 350 hp head room .. MKIV Supra came with 320 hp and could make 900 hp on stock internals .. my pick up truck comes with 380 hp and can do 800 hp on stock internals
... and waive goodbye to the OEM warranty.
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Old Aug 20, 2020 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BIGWORM
Coming from a 991.2 S to a 991.2 GTS to a 992 S, I honestly found the 991.2 S to be the funnest to drive.

When I bought my 992 S, I didnt even test drive it I just knew I wanted out of my 991.2 GTS. But I did drive a BASE 992 while they washed my 992 S. And that was a blast to drive. My 992 S is much much faster. But it takes some of the fun driving aspect out of it. Next time around I will not snub the base model just because its the base model. Just my .2 cents.
What was wrong with the GTS over the 991.2 S?
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Old Aug 20, 2020 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rumnyc
I wanted the base but ended up with an S because there are too many little things in S and adding evening a quarter of them pushed the price above the S.
Curious what things you get in an S that you can add to a Base (that are actually S related, not options like audio, parking assist, comfort access, etc.) From what I saw, apples to apples, an S is ~20k over Base - you'd have to be giving something up to get an S at the same price as a Base.
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Old Aug 20, 2020 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ryanlsmith
Curious what things you get in an S that you can add to a Base (that are actually S related, not options like audio, parking assist, comfort access, etc.) From what I saw, apples to apples, an S is ~20k over Base - you'd have to be giving something up to get an S at the same price as a Base.
It's actually quite hard to spec a base that high (without purposely trying to do it).

Once I found out the 6MT wasn't being offered in New Zealand, I put a lot of thought into base vs s. Being a current 991.2 base owner helps as I could easily decide what my car lacked and what I didn't care about.

In the end my 992 base on order has every option I wanted, and PTS; which did through it over a no option S.

I'm very happy with what I have ordered - but I do wish I could have optioned the S brakes. I also couldn't consider the PCCB's as on the base you are not given the option for black caliper PCCBs.

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Old Aug 21, 2020 | 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by doug992
i'd take a tuned base over an S anyday
So you're ok with voiding your power train warranty?
Not being difficult, just genuinely curious.
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Old Aug 21, 2020 | 07:47 AM
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Litchfield more known for their Gt-R work but they get sizeable gains from both std and S models.

All depends on your risk aversion re: drivetrain warranty I suppose.

https://www.litchfieldmotors.com/por...-992-carreras/

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Originally Posted by diss7
It's actually quite hard to spec a base that high (without purposely trying to do it).

Once I found out the 6MT wasn't being offered in New Zealand, I put a lot of thought into base vs s. Being a current 991.2 base owner helps as I could easily decide what my car lacked and what I didn't care about.

In the end my 992 base on order has every option I wanted, and PTS; which did through it over a no option S.

I'm very happy with what I have ordered - but I do wish I could have optioned the S brakes. I also couldn't consider the PCCB's as on the base you are not given the option for black caliper PCCBs.
S costs $16k more over base... so let's see.... With base, I'd get 18 way & full leather interior and sport chrono. With S, I will have 4 way seat with standard interior, no sport chrono. These three are about $11k option.... Any wheel upgrade will cost me $1800 more with base than it does with S. Add sport design, which I'd like but would not get, will be another $5k-$7k... Other popular options such as matrix headlights, sport exhaust are $3k-$4k each... Aero kit $7k-$9k... Not so common but available packages are Heritage or Exclusive leather, are $16k-$17k each... Cabriolet, which is kinda an option, is $13k... 4WD is $7k... Base can be EASILY spec'd way more than a strip S. Actually, 4 Cabriolet, which is still a "base car", starts at $119,300. S coupe, which is an "S car", starts at $115,100.
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Old Aug 21, 2020 | 10:44 AM
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I speced a base over and S and my dealer was like are. you an idiot? if you get a base just control your options or get an S because you base has a ceiling of an S price in resale but S has a softer ceiling i guess...
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Old Aug 21, 2020 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rumnyc
I speced a base over and S and my dealer was like are. you an idiot? if you get a base just control your options or get an S because you base has a ceiling of an S price in resale but S has a softer ceiling i guess...
That’s it right there.

On resale your OEM options rarely bring the kind of return standard equipment does.
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Old Aug 21, 2020 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by rumnyc
I speced a base over and S and my dealer was like are. you an idiot? if you get a base just control your options or get an S because you base has a ceiling of an S price in resale but S has a softer ceiling i guess...
Option money evaporates on resale. However, if you lack the right options you might have difficulty selling in the first place. I'm sure Porsche makes half of their money off people who need to prepare for the latter. Heated seats, Bose...
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Old Aug 21, 2020 | 11:38 AM
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My base 992 sold for $125k after one week of being up for sale (948 miles) with a $136k sticker ($129k after discount)

Option it the way you want. It’ll sell if you have a desirable spec.
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Old Aug 21, 2020 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
That’s it right there.

On resale your OEM options rarely bring the kind of return standard equipment does.
+1. Options are always going to depreciate faster, been this way since the dawn of motoring.....
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Old Aug 21, 2020 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by smiles11
My base 992 sold for $125k after one week of being up for sale (948 miles) with a $136k sticker ($129k after discount)

Option it the way you want. It’ll sell if you have a desirable spec.
I think your circumstance was a bit unusual - it makes sense that a barely used would sell close to what you paid- it only had a brief period to depreciate. The depreciation gap between the options and the base car itself widen over time. If you were selling at 3 years, you would lose more on the options.
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