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Old 09-24-2020, 07:39 PM
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Anyone else find it odd the car highlighted has PS4S fitted to it?

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And they are in the stock tire size which is not available.....
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Maybe Michelin is planning a waitlist for their tires and charging ADM. 🤪
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Originally Posted by smiles11
Maybe Michelin is planning a waitlist for their tires and charging ADM. 🤪
Perhaps bundled with Porsche wheels and sold through dealerships. Wouldn’t surprise me.
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Originally Posted by smiles11
Anyone else find it odd the car highlighted has PS4S fitted to it?

https://youtu.be/MKGgDb_dL5Y
Good catch. At 3:35, you can clearly see this car is riding on 305/30zr21 Michelin 4S tires. Some tomfoolery going on here....
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Originally Posted by smiles11
Anyone else find it odd the car highlighted has PS4S fitted to it?
Interesting...I don't see any date in that video, but I'd guess it was made fairly early after the 992's release (e.g. a long time ago). That that seems to prove that Michelin has the capability to produce our rear tires, but for some reason hasn't released them to the market. Seems like the rational must be that they can't for some contractural reason (e.g. Pirelli and/or Goodyear, knowing they'd never sell a replacement tire to we 992 owners if there was a PS4S on the market, stipulated in their development contract that Porsche must not OK the release of the Porsche-approved OEM size PS4S for x number of years/months)...?? Follow the $$...
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Old 09-25-2020, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by carson2
Interesting...I don't see any date in that video, but I'd guess it was made fairly early after the 992's release (e.g. a long time ago). That that seems to prove that Michelin has the capability to produce our rear tires, but for some reason hasn't released them to the market. Seems like the rational must be that they can't for some contractural reason (e.g. Pirelli and/or Goodyear, knowing they'd never sell a replacement tire to we 992 owners if there was a PS4S on the market, stipulated in their development contract that Porsche must not OK the release of the Porsche-approved OEM size PS4S for x number of years/months)...?? Follow the $$...
Most likely this is the reason. Michelin probably did not get the OEM contract and now has to wait for Porsche approval to release the tires to the aftermarket. I'm going with PS4s anyway. 315/30/21.
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I’m betting Michelin could knock out a non-oem tyre, no N label or anything, we’d all buy them.

I bet it’s contractual, “you spit out a tyre that size, no more Porsche stamp on your tyres as we have an agreement with GY and P so they can mark up the branded 992 tyres”

the non-oem tyres on other cars are fine, stuck non-bmw PS4S on my M5, soooo much better than the Pirelli pzeros that it came with, same size but a bit chunkier width so don’t look stretched like the old tyres.
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Even more annoying. The “new” Panamera Turbo S is fitted standard with PS4S tires. 🤷🏼‍♂️
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COVID caused havoc in the supply of specialty/premium tires. They were not going to short their volume customers in order to make these tires. Their competitors had the same issues with limited labor available to staff the plants. Hopefully we will see them make an availability announcement this winter for spring delivery
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Originally Posted by Michigan 992
COVID caused havoc in the supply of specialty/premium tires. They were not going to short their volume customers in order to make these tires. Their competitors had the same issues with limited labor available to staff the plants. Hopefully we will see them make an availability announcement this winter for spring delivery
I'm in aerospace, not tires, so have seen a multiple month impact overall in a complex supply chain... but it has generally been contained to 2-3 months for critical parts, and much has been recoverable/mitigated. Not challenging your post at all, but would be curious as to how covid has impacted a company like Michelin by 6-12 months+.

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Originally Posted by PPS
I think so too. However, I wasn’t being clear - the reference to 4S was 992 4S and the Michelin’s are Cup 2’s 😀

I put the Michelin SC2’s, 315’s and no issues at all with rubbing. I’ve tracked it twice with these tires and they are much better than the PZero. No comparison. 992 C4S w/ 7 speed MT




Marks on the fender is from punting a cone. It has PPF so it's fine.

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Originally Posted by John Rudolf
Marks on the fender is from punting a cone. It has PPF so it's fine.
But... how is the cone?!?
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Originally Posted by carson2
Respect your opinion detansinn, so can you qualify that? For example, if your PZeros give up the ghost before the proper Michelin fitment is available, do you go with Goodyears, or do you go with the standard front Pilot 4S + 25 series rear?
Good Years .... Bite your tongue ...wait definitely for proper fitment .

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Originally Posted by carson2
But... how is the cone?!?
🤣 lol, my lack of empathy... I did not consider!

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