No instrumented 992 tests?
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No instrumented 992 tests?
Is it strange that none of the major US automotive magazines have done a full test on the 992? All of them did a “first drive” sponsored by Porsche and they quoted the manufacturers test numbers. Car and Driver went to Europe before the US launch to do an instrumented on a European car, but no in depth reviews and test numbers on a US car. I understand manufacturers have an “embargo” and basically tell the magazines when the are allowed to do the full tests so they can control the marketing, but this seems a little longer than usual. Are they trying to pull a Ferrari and not allow some cars to be tested? Are they waiting for all markets to launch? Are there any markets that have not launched? Just seems curious. Does anyone remember how long it took for full reviews to be released after 991?
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I agree that it seems late. Maybe with 600 "experts" posting reviews on YouTube, the magazines are starting to think that no one cares about or has the attention span for in-depth reviews anymore. The cars have been in the US for a couple of months now. R&T had a 992 for their PCOTY test. So they certainly have full access to the car. I'd think that any of the US car magazines would have access. Full tests should be coming out soon. BTW, I think the R&T PCOTY article is a great read.
I really like this:
"For all their bluster and power, their lap times and displacement, most of the carmakers at this test made a deal with the devil—they traded what once made them great in the search for outright speed. Never has the disparity been greater between the capabilities of a modern fast car and what is legally possible. The new definition of performance isn’t what a car can do, but what it will do on a good road."
I test drove two 992 CSs yesterday: One with RWS and one without. Then I jumped into my 7.5 year old 981 BS. The 992 just doesn't deliver the same thrill and enjoyment for me as my Boxster does. I liked the steering of the 992 with the RWS much more than the one without (opposite of what I expected), but I was still hoping for a more visceral experience. I fully expect/hope that the manual improves the experience (I don't know how it could not). 99% chance I'll get a 992, but I'm keeping my 981. I really wish the base 992 was available with a manual. I'm afraid the S is so powerful and capable that it won't be as fun on the road. At least for me.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...r-of-the-year/
I really like this:
"For all their bluster and power, their lap times and displacement, most of the carmakers at this test made a deal with the devil—they traded what once made them great in the search for outright speed. Never has the disparity been greater between the capabilities of a modern fast car and what is legally possible. The new definition of performance isn’t what a car can do, but what it will do on a good road."
I test drove two 992 CSs yesterday: One with RWS and one without. Then I jumped into my 7.5 year old 981 BS. The 992 just doesn't deliver the same thrill and enjoyment for me as my Boxster does. I liked the steering of the 992 with the RWS much more than the one without (opposite of what I expected), but I was still hoping for a more visceral experience. I fully expect/hope that the manual improves the experience (I don't know how it could not). 99% chance I'll get a 992, but I'm keeping my 981. I really wish the base 992 was available with a manual. I'm afraid the S is so powerful and capable that it won't be as fun on the road. At least for me.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...r-of-the-year/
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Here’s one from ... five months ago: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
Quiroga is the credited author, and he is the gentleman who is responsible for the normalized/corrected testing figures at both R&T and C&D, so no real reason for either magazine to test another example until more trim levels are launched
Couldn’t find one from Motor Trend
Automobile rarely conducts instrumented testing
Autoweek is dead
Quiroga is the credited author, and he is the gentleman who is responsible for the normalized/corrected testing figures at both R&T and C&D, so no real reason for either magazine to test another example until more trim levels are launched
Couldn’t find one from Motor Trend
Automobile rarely conducts instrumented testing
Autoweek is dead
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Here’s one from ... five months ago: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
Quiroga is the credited author, and he is the gentleman who is responsible for the normalized/corrected testing figures at both R&T and C&D, so no real reason for either magazine to test another example until more trim levels are launched
Couldn’t find one from Motor Trend
Automobile rarely conducts instrumented testing
Autoweek is dead
Quiroga is the credited author, and he is the gentleman who is responsible for the normalized/corrected testing figures at both R&T and C&D, so no real reason for either magazine to test another example until more trim levels are launched
Couldn’t find one from Motor Trend
Automobile rarely conducts instrumented testing
Autoweek is dead
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I think this has become an old man GT cruiser. Very little racing between its rivals. Actually hardly any drag racing on YouTube with the 992. Every recent car I've owned always has had drag races on YouTube with it's competitors. So far, lacking with the 992. Surprising to me since in my opinion the 911 has always been the quintessential sports car to beat.
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I think this has become an old man GT cruiser. Very little racing between its rivals. Actually hardly any drag racing on YouTube with the 992. Every recent car I've owned always has had drag races on YouTube with it's competitors. So far, lacking with the 992. Surprising to me since in my opinion the 911 has always been the quintessential sports car to beat.
I spent day yesterday driving a 992 and I love it. The car is very quick and very neutral at the limits. I don’t need some magazine to tell me that.
The Turbo is even wider, has 295s on frint and seems to be 2.1 ish range. Good enough for me. Lol, at GT stuff coming from someone talking about drag racing.
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Drag racing is stupid. Road course takes skills.
I spent day yesterday driving a 992 and I love it. The car is very quick and very neutral at the limits. I don’t need some magazine to tell me that.
The Turbo is even wider, has 295s on frint and seems to be 2.1 ish range. Good enough for me. Lol, at GT stuff coming from someone talking about drag racing.
I spent day yesterday driving a 992 and I love it. The car is very quick and very neutral at the limits. I don’t need some magazine to tell me that.
The Turbo is even wider, has 295s on frint and seems to be 2.1 ish range. Good enough for me. Lol, at GT stuff coming from someone talking about drag racing.
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Drag racing is stupid. Road course takes skills.
I spent day yesterday driving a 992 and I love it. The car is very quick and very neutral at the limits. I don’t need some magazine to tell me that.
The Turbo is even wider, has 295s on frint and seems to be 2.1 ish range. Good enough for me. Lol, at GT stuff coming from someone talking about drag racing.
I spent day yesterday driving a 992 and I love it. The car is very quick and very neutral at the limits. I don’t need some magazine to tell me that.
The Turbo is even wider, has 295s on frint and seems to be 2.1 ish range. Good enough for me. Lol, at GT stuff coming from someone talking about drag racing.
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In fairness a night of taking the car down the straight pipe is a lot of fun and good results require skill and practice. Still, I don't disagree in any way on the main, this car was not designed for the living life ten seconds at a time crowd or whatever that guys said. I think it may come down to something mentioned in one of the reviews. Without comparing cars at all it just isn't as interesting as a C8 or other developments going on in the car world right now. I'm saying this without any derogatory intent and am probably going to buy in once I've had a chance to test drive a stick. What the guy was talking about and I agree with is that the 992 is exactly what I expected; It's a little better in every which way and at the same time much the same as it was. There are no big bullet points, it's a great car that got incrementally better. No matter how much of an icon the 911 is that doesn't generate a lot of clicks in a click driven world. On the one hand you've got caps, "FIRST LOOK, NEW MID ENGINE C8" the other hand, " The new 911 is a little bit better. How do those guys keep making a fantastic car slightly better?" See the difference? I think is this is why you don't see as much coverage or depth of coverage as you might expect.
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This is the lowest key 911 launch in memory. There is something about the “clicks” factor here with the current state of automotive journalism. In other words, a 992 isn’t a car that a bunch of influencers and YouTubers are going to buy.
Thanks to social media, we live in a world where a lot of folks think that anything under 700HP is slow.
Thanks to social media, we live in a world where a lot of folks think that anything under 700HP is slow.
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In fairness a night of taking the car down the straight pipe is a lot of fun and good results require skill and practice. Still, I don't disagree in any way on the main, this car was not designed for the living life ten seconds at a time crowd or whatever that guys said. I think it may come down to something mentioned in one of the reviews. Without comparing cars at all it just isn't as interesting as a C8 or other developments going on in the car world right now. I'm saying this without any derogatory intent and am probably going to buy in once I've had a chance to test drive a stick. What the guy was talking about and I agree with is that the 992 is exactly what I expected; It's a little better in every which way and at the same time much the same as it was. There are no big bullet points, it's a great car that got incrementally better. No matter how much of an icon the 911 is that doesn't generate a lot of clicks in a click driven world. On the one hand you've got caps, "FIRST LOOK, NEW MID ENGINE C8" the other hand, " The new 911 is a little bit better. How do those guys keep making a fantastic car slightly better?" See the difference? I think is this is why you don't see as much coverage or depth of coverage as you might expect.
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Spot on. And to be honest, I’m in the same camp. I have a 992 on order and will not buy a C8 but I find the C8 much more interesting as a new car launch. I have test driven the 992 and am obviously buying one but I’m looking forward to a C8 test drive more than I was looking forward to the 992 test drive. I find the 992 to be the better car but it’s so incremental to the 991 that it doesn’t have much novelty factor.