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Old Jul 2, 2020 | 12:13 PM
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Resurrecting an old thread, but thought I'd add my take on it as I live in, how should I put it, rather "extreme" climates. I hope to add a 992C4 later this year, selling the RS5

1) I change my oil twice a year irrespective of mileage with 0-40 Mobil1; Spring and Autumn. Reason is condensation formed with temps of 60F in the garage and -45F outside. Oil and filter get changed every time and all my vehicles run year round

2) On new vehicles I do an early change and being 400 miles from a dealer doing my own work, I want to ensure nothing internally is amiss.

3) In both my RS5, Touareg and Macan I've installed access panels to drain the oil via gravity not the suction method to monitor physical condition of oil as well as ensuring all or as much as is physically possible drains.

And yes between my Gehl skid steer's 11 quarts (plus 16 qts. in chaincase), the V8 Touareg, Macan and RS5 I do clean out Wallyworld of their 0-40

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Old Jul 2, 2020 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by siberian
Resurrecting an old thread, but thought I'd add my take on it as I live in, how should I put it, rather "extreme" climates. I hope to add a 992C4 later this year, selling the RS5

1) I change my oil twice a year irrespective of mileage with 0-40 Mobil1; Spring and Autumn. Reason is condensation formed with temps of 60F in the garage and -45F outside. Oil and filter get changed every time and all my vehicles run year round

2) On new vehicles I do an early change and being 400 miles from a dealer doing my own work, I want to ensure nothing internally is amiss.

3) In both my RS5, Touareg and Macan I've installed access panels to drain the oil via gravity not the suction method to monitor physical condition of oil as well as ensuring all or as much as is physically possible drains.

And yes between my Gehl skid steer's 11 quarts (plus 16 qts. in chaincase), the V8 Touareg, Macan and RS5 I do clean out Wallyworld of their 0-40

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lost on many, but especially the low milage drivers is that fluid changes are as sensitive to time lapse, as they are to miles... arguable some are even more so. No such thing as a life time fluid, or ultra long term. Same for tires... they too have a shelf life.
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Old Jul 2, 2020 | 12:42 PM
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Precisely, which is why heavy equipment and marine engines are rated in hours not miles.

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Old Jul 2, 2020 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by siberian
Resurrecting an old thread, but thought I'd add my take on it as I live in, how should I put it, rather "extreme" climates. I hope to add a 992C4 later this year, selling the RS5

1) I change my oil twice a year irrespective of mileage with 0-40 Mobil1; Spring and Autumn. Reason is condensation formed with temps of 60F in the garage and -45F outside. Oil and filter get changed every time and all my vehicles run year round

2) On new vehicles I do an early change and being 400 miles from a dealer doing my own work, I want to ensure nothing internally is amiss.

3) In both my RS5, Touareg and Macan I've installed access panels to drain the oil via gravity not the suction method to monitor physical condition of oil as well as ensuring all or as much as is physically possible drains.

And yes between my Gehl skid steer's 11 quarts (plus 16 qts. in chaincase), the V8 Touareg, Macan and RS5 I do clean out Wallyworld of their 0-40

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As they say, do what makes you feel good. I do 1 time per year on my daily drivers or weekend cars, regardless of miles (never drive that much in a year any of my cars to hit the 10K or 7k limit), so only 1 time per year.
I do not do early changes, after break in miles either anymore. I used to back in the late 80s and through the 90's. Oil today is much better, tolerances are much better. I do not find a need to venture far from the manufacturers recommendation. With the exception of cars I track, then those get changed every few track sessions.
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Old Jul 2, 2020 | 06:55 PM
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As I mentioned I live in rather different climactic conditions where huge temperature changes are the norm resulting in condensation and wear and tear not usually seen in other parts. So it's not only what makes me feel good it's prevention given where I live.

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Old Jul 2, 2020 | 07:16 PM
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I changed mine after the run in period. I've done that for decades on my cars, never an issue.

As to the post of rings failing to seat properly due to too many oil changes, that's a strange one.

To get everything seated into place, I've always pushed an engine hard to redline on a regular basis after run in. Same with brakes.
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Old Jul 2, 2020 | 07:24 PM
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Until my last 911 went 120k+ miles on normal scheduled maintenance. I'm done babying these cars. They are built to last my friends. Don't waste time & money. GL
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Old Jul 2, 2020 | 07:38 PM
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As I mentioned I live in rather different climactic conditions where huge temperature changes are the norm resulting in condensation and wear and tear not usually seen in other parts. So it's not only what makes me feel good it's prevention given where I live.
Won't any water that gets into the engine oil just evaporite the next time you bring the car up to temp? I change my oil every spring around the same time that I put my summer times on. I doubt I'll ever put 10,000 miles on a Porsche in one year although I am trying to drive my 992 4S more than I've driven my previous cars. Not a daily driver, but close.
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Old Jul 2, 2020 | 09:30 PM
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By the time the winter is over you've got quite a lot of condensation build up. I actually put in more miles in winter (I live on 3 miles of gravel roads) than summer as roads are better covered with snow and with the Hakka 9 studded... Just got to watch for moose and caribou

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Originally Posted by siberian
As I mentioned I live in rather different climactic conditions where huge temperature changes are the norm resulting in condensation and wear and tear not usually seen in other parts. So it's not only what makes me feel good it's prevention given where I live.

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When you get a chance, take a look at some of the extreme tests they run on Mobil Syn 0w-40. It is rated to -40 degrees Celsius. and temp variances from 100 degrees down to that temp in under an hour under their extreme testing. The modern oils are remarkable compared to even a decade ago. If you are doing it yourself, it is good to do it as often as you can/want to - never hurts to do it frequently with those severe changes in temp. Similar to what I do with my track cars, after a few hard track days, the heat and breakdown make me uncomfortable - worth my peace of mind to do it, even though I may be too cautious.
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Yep, do all my own work and yes, we have tremendous temperature shifts to where your tires are square for the first 3 miles. It's just not where I'm comfortable saving money. Most of my vehicles have Fumoto valves and if not OEM then I've built access panels to enable quick oil changes. To be honest it's been a while since we've had -48F but, 7 years ago...



That is only as low as the gauge would go. The Touareg fired up no problem...

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