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Is anyone else skeptical regarding the release of the 992 with MT, especially in Cabs? I'll believe it when I see it.
Also, in the 991 I don't find the MT very satisfying. Is it possible it's going to be an even worse set-up in 992, even more of an afterthought given the declining take rate? Or will they improve on the 991 MT? Anyone have any insight on this?

No skepticism by me. I expect it.

No.

Could be. My dealer has no order-accepted dates. I'm tired of and gun-shy from the slow strangulation of products. Turbo. GT3. M5. M6. 4 series verts. Pretty much all BMWs now. All the cars I aspired to own are now available only in automatic. I worked all these years and always assumed I'd own some of them, and now if I'm going to get one it's going to be someone else's secondhand machine.
From their point of view I'd understand dropping the option on cabs. What's the take rate going to be on 992 cabs? Maybe 10% if we're lucky?

In North America
BMW M2 take rate has been 50%
BMW M3 take rate was over 25%

That is with dealers primarily ordering the more expensive DCT.
Those are the types of numbers that make manufactures take notice.

I'll give the T a try.

OP: Why don't you find the MT very satisfying? Compared to what? I think the manual in my 991.2 is quite satisfying, and I have owned/driven MTs all my life.

I'm not as much of a student of the cars as some of you - just doesn't feel nearly as good as my 997 did or especially my 981 Spyder.

I do hope they improve the feel of the manual if it's based on the same old 7 speed PDK. I've never driven a Porsche 6 speed manual like GT3, but my old E36 M3 stick and transmission is much better then the Porsche 7 speed. Feels more direct and precise.

Hey skeptics: prepare to be wowed!

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I'd buy it just because it looks better than the razor.

That's a little strong - the T shifter may be better than the vanilla 991 7 speed, but it's not nearly as smooth or precise as something like the S2000. Overall I don't think it's bad and it's way more fun & engaging than any automatic, but there is definitely room for improvement. This is with 12k+ miles on mine.

Not too strong at all, Porsche did wonders with the 7MT over the course of the 991's generational life, and the setup in the Carrera T is the pinnacle. And I'm a GT3 6MT owner saying that. The S2000 tranny may be very nice but we don't have that option...though I can't say I've ever been much of a Honda guy.

I'm hoping a lot of people do exactly this. It'll make for a healthy used market.

I've owned a lot of manuals, including a T now and a couple AP1 (9k rpm) S2000s previously. I agree the T is very good, one of the best I've had the chance to experience, but not as good as the S2000. I encourage anyone who likes a manual trans to drive an S2000 if they get a chance. Given that the S2000 has such low torque, the trans internals are light and easy to maneuver. It is the only manual trans that I could shift with only my fingers and the only one that truly does feel like a well-oiled rifle bolt. It feels more like a snick-snick of a sequential gearbox. The T is very very good though, especially when it is hot.

I give Porsche a lot of credit for sticking with the manual when others are letting it go. Very glad to see it in the 992. Hopefully other manufacturers see the sales success and continue to offer it on their specialty sports cars. Mercedes and Audi have no manuals, right? No high end Italian manuals anymore? Only select Porsche, BMW, and some American and Japanese manual sports cars left.

Following the launch I attended last night, I did some reading in some of the docs I've managed to acquire over the last several weeks... one of the documents I have (marked INTERNAL in bold red) clearly has a sentence referencing the Manual Transmission and its expected availability in early 2020 (much longer than I thought).


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I fear the upcoming 7 speed manual may be based on the 8 speed PDK, and each manual gear selection just triggers a switch to electrically change gears, lol. I hope not....

If its true that we'll have to wait until 2020 for the manual that is a real bummer...

Agreed. I like the new 992 - but not sure I want to wait until 2020.

Yeah, really slow roll-out, no base model for quite awhile, no MT for quite awhile, prices have gone thru the roof......cost of a base cab with a few options now going to be in 130s easy.......losing my enthusiasm for 992. Real value in 718-6 if they proceed with it.....

I'm hoping that "approximately" means this fall.

I don't see it. Are you the US site or another?

I'm so sorry. I made a mistake. I was looking at the new Coupe on the site last night, clicked over to the 911 and clicked on the 991 and "performance". I saw it and got excited not realizing that I clicked not he wrong link. I'm sorry.

Oh, no problem. An honest mistake. I wonder if Porsche is delaying the release just so they can eventually drop it altogether and cite the lack of demand: "We will continue to offer the manual for as long as there is demand; however, in 2019 we did not sell even one 992s with a manual!" :-)

Precisely, please see my original post.
To a certain extent it's a self fulfilling prophecy. The auto manufacturers, including Porsche, build fewer and fewer MT cars, so no MTs are available for sale, and then quote that as proof that nobody wants a manual. Yet when I dare to show up at a dealer and try to negotiate on a rare duck MT, they want to charge a premium for the MT!

I spent some time rowing a 915 tranny this weekend and I have to admit that when I drove my T afterwards it did in fact feel phenomenal!

Looks like September production for C2 MT.

I'll hoping to order a 992 MT cab 4/4s and take euro delivery by spring 2020, when is the best time to pay my dealer a visit? :)

About 2 months ago.

thanks for the input

last time when i ordered my 991.2 in Apr 2016, my delivery date in Stuttgart was Aug 30, 2016, I guess it depends on different factors but it can range anything from 2-4 months and Euro delivery will take longer as you have to first wait for production allocation PLUS a spot for euro delivery, for all I know I think my car finished production in mid-late July 2016 and sat there for more than a month for an available Euro delivery date which was on Aug 30!