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Old 03-10-2019, 11:31 AM
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Is anyone else skeptical regarding the release of the 992 with MT, especially in Cabs? I'll believe it when I see it.
Also, in the 991 I don't find the MT very satisfying. Is it possible it's going to be an even worse set-up in 992, even more of an afterthought given the declining take rate? Or will they improve on the 991 MT? Anyone have any insight on this?
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No skepticism by me. I expect it.
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Is anyone else skeptical regarding the release of the 992 with MT, especially in Cabs?
No.
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Old 03-10-2019, 03:16 PM
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It seems your tin foil hat may be a little too snug.
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Old 03-10-2019, 08:48 PM
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Could be. My dealer has no order-accepted dates. I'm tired of and gun-shy from the slow strangulation of products. Turbo. GT3. M5. M6. 4 series verts. Pretty much all BMWs now. All the cars I aspired to own are now available only in automatic. I worked all these years and always assumed I'd own some of them, and now if I'm going to get one it's going to be someone else's secondhand machine.
From their point of view I'd understand dropping the option on cabs. What's the take rate going to be on 992 cabs? Maybe 10% if we're lucky?
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Old 03-10-2019, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Selo View Post
Is anyone else skeptical regarding the release of the 992 with MT, especially in Cabs? I'll believe it when I see it.
Also, in the 991 I don't find the MT very satisfying. Is it possible it's going to be an even worse set-up in 992, even more of an afterthought given the declining take rate? Or will they improve on the 991 MT? Anyone have any insight on this?
You need to try the 7MT in the Carrera T with the short shifter and shorter gearing. It is absolutely phenomenal.
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Agree! The manual in the Carrera T is an amazing and pure driving experience.
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I think the bigger risk is that the MT is limited to the base C2 and C2 cab. Probably not on this generation, but maybe the 992.2.

One problem with manuals is that they are worse for emissions and mpg. Higher hp, bigger engines, and it compounds the problem.

Manuals are dying because outside of Porsche and really just the GT3 and Carrera T (and a few others like Miata) the take rate is not high.

If you like the T shifter, it is $250 to change any 991 to it.
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I think the bigger risk is that the MT is limited to the base C2 and C2 cab. Probably not on this generation, but maybe the 992.2.

One problem with manuals is that they are worse for emissions and mpg. Higher hp, bigger engines, and it compounds the problem.

Manuals are dying because outside of Porsche and really just the GT3 and Carrera T (and a few others like Miata) the take rate is not high.

If you like the T shifter, it is $250 to change any 991 to it.
In North America
BMW M2 take rate has been 50%
BMW M3 take rate was over 25%

That is with dealers primarily ordering the more expensive DCT.
Those are the types of numbers that make manufactures take notice.



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Originally Posted by evilfij View Post
I think the bigger risk is that the MT is limited to the base C2 and C2 cab. Probably not on this generation, but maybe the 992.2.

One problem with manuals is that they are worse for emissions and mpg. Higher hp, bigger engines, and it compounds the problem.

Manuals are dying because outside of Porsche and really just the GT3 and Carrera T (and a few others like Miata) the take rate is not high.

If you like the T shifter, it is $250 to change any 991 to it.
And that changes the gearing, too?
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I'll give the T a try.
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Old 03-11-2019, 09:58 AM
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OP: Why don't you find the MT very satisfying? Compared to what? I think the manual in my 991.2 is quite satisfying, and I have owned/driven MTs all my life.
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And that changes the gearing, too?
No, but T gearing is the same as S and GTS. The steeper gearing is a minimal difference between the T and the base.
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by seis-speed View Post
In North America
BMW M2 take rate has been 50%
BMW M3 take rate was over 25%

That is with dealers primarily ordering the more expensive DCT.
Those are the types of numbers that make manufactures take notice.
As I said, a few others like the Miata.

Golf R seems to have a lot of manuals too, but I donĺt have a percentage. Even things you think would be a high take rate like challenger are low take rates. The stat I read for all cars for 2018 was 3% down from 30% in 1990.
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Z. View Post
OP: Why don't you find the MT very satisfying? Compared to what? I think the manual in my 991.2 is quite satisfying, and I have owned/driven MTs all my life.
I'm not as much of a student of the cars as some of you - just doesn't feel nearly as good as my 997 did or especially my 981 Spyder.
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