My LA Auto Show 992 Impressions - A Different View
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Do you really consider all of those serious comparable substitutes to a 911? In other words, you would cross shop a 911 with a G wagon? Really?
I think the only comparable in that list (for a new car) would be the AMG GT. But there are lots of front engine RWD cars. Rear engine RWD? One. Porsche.
I think the only comparable in that list (for a new car) would be the AMG GT. But there are lots of front engine RWD cars. Rear engine RWD? One. Porsche.
If I'm spending $150,000 I'll consider any number of vehicles and then make the choice.
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I can pretty much drive and spend as much time as I want in a Bentley GT and a better Ferrari, but I would throw a Rapide, Maserati GT convertible and DEFINITEL the new Aston Martin Vantage.
I really like my DB11 and have been toying the idea of picking up a Rapide The new Vantage, however, is amazing and a Porsche killer in my opinion. I am a Ferrari guy and Porsche guy through and through, but the Aston Martins are a step up if looking for a DD and a bit of exclusivity. The engines and interiors are amazing.
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The Astons make sense, but still an older demographic...... maybe a C63 AMG or Audi R8 or S8 for DD as the 991 and 992 non GT cars are just that...
Maseratis sound great but the depreciation is a monster on those ca worse than AMG....
i guess the GT Porsches are the best against depreciation but DD them is a challenge for some of us...
Maseratis sound great but the depreciation is a monster on those ca worse than AMG....
i guess the GT Porsches are the best against depreciation but DD them is a challenge for some of us...
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revisionist history says this was because they intended to race the 959 in the several rally series at the time but the book noted that Porsche later admitted the real thinking as above.
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The new car is starting to grow on me, especially after seeing this set of pics when its on the road
There are still a few minor annoyances like the new interior, but if i were shopping for a new car right now i wouldn't mind it TBH
ugh can never do proper links to instagram on here
There are still a few minor annoyances like the new interior, but if i were shopping for a new car right now i wouldn't mind it TBH
ugh can never do proper links to instagram on here
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The 918 is a hybrid. As a result, the shifter is non-functional much of the time, so it made sense to downsize it and move it out of the way.
The 911 is not a hybrid. As a result, the transmission is a key part of the driver's interaction with the car, whether it's a PDK or a a traditional manual. Your opinion regarding whether the PDK shifter should be used to change gears in manual mode is noted but not universally shared. This, despite your user name.
The 911 might or might not be a hybrid in the future. We pay Porsche for the car that is in our garage today, not for a car that they haven't even built. In general, this car makes an awful lot of compromises to accommodate features that aren't even available yet. The deprecated PDK shifter is only one of those compromises.
The 911 is not a hybrid. As a result, the transmission is a key part of the driver's interaction with the car, whether it's a PDK or a a traditional manual. Your opinion regarding whether the PDK shifter should be used to change gears in manual mode is noted but not universally shared. This, despite your user name.
The 911 might or might not be a hybrid in the future. We pay Porsche for the car that is in our garage today, not for a car that they haven't even built. In general, this car makes an awful lot of compromises to accommodate features that aren't even available yet. The deprecated PDK shifter is only one of those compromises.
The 992 will likely offer a hybrid. The reason for they used that 8 speed PDK in the car is because it has room for an electric motor already.
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But what good does that do me, as a 992.1 customer? Bigger car, more weight, a useless 8th gear, possibly worse rear visibility as well depending on how much additional vertical space had to be reserved for package protection. And a largely-nonfunctional nubbin instead of a shifter. No upside.
The 918... now that had some upside.
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I was definitely talking about the 991, and not in a negative way. My first 911 was a brand new Guards Red 1987 Targa. We paid $47,000 for it. We had a 1985 1/2 944 but always wanted a 911. I ordered the 911 without telling my wife, and when it arrived I told my wife we should take a ride to the Porsche dealership just to see what they had. There it was, sitting in the showroom with a big red bow on it. My wife said "That's a beautiful car. I wonder who it was gift wrapped for." I said, "It's yours." Very happy wife, very happy life. The car became her daily driver and my weekend car. She'd strap the car seat into the passenger side and drive around with our newborn daughter. Would I trade my 991 for that car as a daily driver? No way! Did I love that car in its day? Absolutely!
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The Astons make sense, but still an older demographic...... maybe a C63 AMG or Audi R8 or S8 for DD as the 991 and 992 non GT cars are just that...
Maseratis sound great but the depreciation is a monster on those ca worse than AMG....
i guess the GT Porsches are the best against depreciation but DD them is a challenge for some of us...
Maseratis sound great but the depreciation is a monster on those ca worse than AMG....
i guess the GT Porsches are the best against depreciation but DD them is a challenge for some of us...
DB11s are definitely 40ish crowd . . . My wife is finance manager at Aston Martin, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Maserati . . . dealership. Most that purchase DB11s from her are around my age including bud Dave Mustaine who purchased the one I wanted.
I think the Vanquishes tend to be driven by 50 somethings due to the price of entry and most 30 somethings would rather have an Aventador, 488, McLaren and etc. for the price.
Seriously, the new Vantage is a Porsche killer and I am a Porsche guy through and through. Aston Martin engines are made by Mercedes AMG, but Aston Martin puts their own specially tuned exhaust systems on them. Check out the new Vantage though. Much better than a 911 in looks, finishes and sound. Performance is respectable 3.4 to 60 and 11.4 1/4 according to C&D instrumented tested.
My DB11 is the 12, but the new ones with the 8s are a blast to drive. The 8 cylinder trimmed something like 200 pounds off the front. The engine tone, the leather work, the look and then crank up the Bang and Olufsen for a change of sound . . . The car is the complete package.
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It's also more a Turbo competitor. Aston Martin isn't offering anything in the more standard 911 model price range.
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Here in the UK it's £120K for the base. A competitor perhaps for 992 GTS models in the future?
I genuinely hope it's a success for them. It's just a great pity they don't have anything for sale in the £80-£100K range.