Breen

As the title says, C&D reports huge changes including less displacement on 992.2 Turbo. Having just taken delivery of my TTS, curious what buyers think about this.

I’d be a bit bummed bc 3.8 is larger than 3.6

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Angryinch

Interesting times. Looks like the 992.1 will be a keeper!

I can say, the vertical grills, seem worse than what is current. I do like the analogue tach.

Canada is saying they're mandating 100% of all new vehicle sales to be EV by 2035, times are changing quickly here.

hcvone

It's a 3.7 engine (3,745 cc) , they used to call it a 3.8, but were called out on it, later changed to 3.7, but it's been that size for a long time, they could make it a 3.6 with no problem and no loss of power

CanAutM3

It depends what you mean by “a long time”. The 991 turbo series had in fact a true 3.8 (3.7996 to be exact). The 992 got a brand new 3.746 litre engine derived from the base 3.0 engine from the Carreras. So the displacement was already reduced slightly going from 991 to 992.

ER911S

I don't think anyone will care about the small displacement change as long as the performance from a dig or a roll is the same. Somehow I predict Porsche will come up with a small increase in horsepower for marketing reasons. We all know the 992 is underrated at 640hp

CanAutM3

Rumour has it that, due to the hybrid powertrain, the power bump on the TT/TT-S for the 992.2 will be quite substantial.

chance6

I bet the sound and power density will be better. And fuel economy

Breen

why do you think the sound will be better? Its gotten progressively worse over time

ipse dixit

I think the 992 TTS sounds better than the 991 TTS

vcp13

I’ve come around to the view the hybrid 911 turbo s will be better and more fun than the non hybrid. We have the 918 and now the Ferrari 296 showing us the way.

MaxLTV

Both of these cars use very expensive materials and tech to compensate for the weight of the hybrid component. It's extremely unlikely Porsche will go to the same length on its non-halo cars, especially given its "plan 20" or the push to have 20% (very high) profit margin on its cars - even GT3 RS does not have CF tub or any major structural CF now. So I expect weight to be an issue. Hopefully, they'll address it to some degree for 994, but definitely not in 992.2.

ipse dixit

Like what?

Not talking about the 918 (as that's essentially a relic and 1M car at this point).

But the 296, what "expensive materials" is Ferrari using to keep the weight "down" to a real world ~3700 lb? Which is still about 300 lbs heavier than the real world weight of the F8 (at around 3400).

The chassis is still aluminum (just like the F8), as there's no carbon monocoque, and the car doesn't even come with RWS.

eclou

read that the battery/EM combo is not a plug in at all, charges on the fly, provides 80hp and only weighs 55lbs

AlexCeres

yeah, this hybrid system is tiny. It'll add some nice torque to fill in the turbos, and improve emissions. That's about all. It's nothing like the 296 / Artura setup. The 296 weighs the same as a TTS anyway with just aluminum construction. The Artura is solidly 300# lighter with the carbon monocoque. I don't think that's a problem for the TTS given where it already is.

MaxLTV

Frankly, I don't know the specifics - I was just going off the weights and target price points for the chassis (F296 vs 992, which starts at base Carrera). Even aluminum and steel are not all the same, both composition and manufacturing process. Unfortunately, I got some learning about all that looking for armoured stuff for the war in Ukraine, but in a nutshell, even good old steel can vary in strength by about 5-6 times with the same weight or have the same strength at 1/5 of weight. And then they say you can't bend or weld the strongest grades, but you actually can if you have a 5x-10x budget. A bigger budget is like magic as far as materials and manufacturing processes are concerned. And 992 chassis was designed quite a while ago now and to the base Carrera cost envelope. That's probably why Ferrari's plug-in hybrid with an unnecessarily large battery is still within 100lbs of non-hybrid and 200HP weaker Turbo S. So I don't have high hopes for a light 992-based hybrid. I do hope Porsche surprises me.

I'm not dunking on 992 - it's more than the sum of its parts and IMO one of the very best cars ever made. Out of all mass-produced in existence, I picked 992 Turbo S as my daily driver purely based on its merit. But I do wish it were lighter more than I wish it were more powerful.