Turbo S Hybrid
01-11-2023, 09:04 AM
#31
The 992 TTS comes with serious speed. Quicker than the 296 GTB, same top speed (which is always tire defined these days,) and pulls more G force on acceleration. If you are already at the limit of mechanical traction, which is where Elon says they are with the Plaid, it can’t just be about speed when looking at electrification. And sandwiching an electric motor between the gearbox and flywheel is really just about acceleration.
The design of the 120 degree engine is what struck me as shocking in the SF90 and 296 GTB. So cool, add a few more degrees and you are back to the boxer design that Porsche never abandoned. The brake by wire system is the other exciting development in the 296, and their brake regen is one feature that Porsche should strive to replicate.
I am a serial Ferrari buyer and nothing they do really shocks me anymore. They push the limit on everything and they can afford to do it because their customers will buy anything they build and with just 12k cars a year output, they are a niche manufacturer. F1-Trac is the best traction control system outside of a McLaren, their e-diff is shockingly good, and their Getrag transmissions are right up there with a PDK.
The design of the 120 degree engine is what struck me as shocking in the SF90 and 296 GTB. So cool, add a few more degrees and you are back to the boxer design that Porsche never abandoned. The brake by wire system is the other exciting development in the 296, and their brake regen is one feature that Porsche should strive to replicate.
I am a serial Ferrari buyer and nothing they do really shocks me anymore. They push the limit on everything and they can afford to do it because their customers will buy anything they build and with just 12k cars a year output, they are a niche manufacturer. F1-Trac is the best traction control system outside of a McLaren, their e-diff is shockingly good, and their Getrag transmissions are right up there with a PDK.
01-11-2023, 01:01 PM
#32
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it would defy several laws of physics to say you would not. One thing about the 296 that I found pretty interesting is how quickly the brake regen will charge the battery. This suggests that in track use you are giving and taking from the battery fast enough that you always have some juice. The electric motor will contribute very little at high speed, I would speculate.
01-11-2023, 01:08 PM
#33
it would defy several laws of physics to say you would not. One thing about the 296 that I found pretty interesting is how quickly the brake regen will charge the battery. This suggests that in track use you are giving and taking from the battery fast enough that you always have some juice. The electric motor will contribute very little at high speed, I would speculate.
01-12-2023, 01:24 AM
#34
it would defy several laws of physics to say you would not. One thing about the 296 that I found pretty interesting is how quickly the brake regen will charge the battery. This suggests that in track use you are giving and taking from the battery fast enough that you always have some juice. The electric motor will contribute very little at high speed, I would speculate.
01-12-2023, 11:15 AM
#35
Yes but I think a very small minority here will track turbo s hybrid. I dont know if you are braking that much in daily driving. Not that I ever do 1/4 mile racing but it will be funny if we see youtube videos of people running out of charge after a few runs and having to drive for 15 minutes to make up charge.
01-12-2023, 06:19 PM
#36
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Yes but I think a very small minority here will track turbo s hybrid. I dont know if you are braking that much in daily driving. Not that I ever do 1/4 mile racing but it will be funny if we see youtube videos of people running out of charge after a few runs and having to drive for 15 minutes to make up charge.
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AlexCeres (01-14-2023)
01-14-2023, 03:40 PM
#37
the battery charges from the motor too, not just braking. Higher performance driving modes draw more energy to keep the battery charged just enough to maintain the driving mode. I’m having trouble finding a clear description of this for the 296, but I’m pretty sure it works the same way as the Artura in this respect. The hybrid elements and engine layout are mechanically similar. (the artura doesn’t charge from breaking while the 296 does, though, as the artura kept hydraulic brakes)
01-14-2023, 05:11 PM
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01-14-2023, 08:33 PM
#39
Porsche won’t do it this generation, but it is possible. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/k...rks-explained/
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AlexCeres (01-15-2023)
01-16-2023, 04:44 PM
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FWIW I just drove a Mclaren Artura for the weekend and the application of hybrid tech in that car is amazing. The electric motor fills in the torque hole until the turbos spool up. Really feels like a big N/A motor or my old 5.5l E55 supercharged motor which hit nearly full boost right off idle.
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AlexCeres (01-16-2023)
01-16-2023, 07:30 PM
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FWIW I just drove a Mclaren Artura for the weekend and the application of hybrid tech in that car is amazing. The electric motor fills in the torque hole until the turbos spool up. Really feels like a big N/A motor or my old 5.5l E55 supercharged motor which hit nearly full boost right off idle.
01-16-2023, 08:52 PM
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You will likely not run out of power like that in a modern hybrid (296's electric tech is modern-ish but has some corners cut). Advanced hybrids charge from braking and from running at partial throttle (e.g., when you request 30% of full throttle, the engine will produce 50% instead and use 20% for recharging). If you use all of the 750-800+ HP, you will have to do a lot of braking and/or driving at partial throttle because giving it full throttle for just over 10 seconds gets you to the speed where you have to lift or brake to make any turns, even on the highway, and that will give the battery a chance to recharge right away, far before it has a chance to run flat. There are no roads where you can just keep flooring it for any extended period of time. So I am not worried about the car running out of juice and feeling slow. The extra weight, on the other hand, is very undesirable given how heavy (for a sportscar) the 992 Turbo is already.
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AlexCeres (01-16-2023)
01-17-2023, 12:02 PM
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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-ride-review/
E-ray weighs 4,000 lbs. thats one fat pig. I dont see turbo s hybrid weighing under 3850lbs.
E-ray weighs 4,000 lbs. thats one fat pig. I dont see turbo s hybrid weighing under 3850lbs.
01-18-2023, 02:52 AM
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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-ride-review/
E-ray weighs 4,000 lbs. thats one fat pig. I dont see turbo s hybrid weighing under 3850lbs.
E-ray weighs 4,000 lbs. thats one fat pig. I dont see turbo s hybrid weighing under 3850lbs.
The coupe is under 3900.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024...g%20to%20Chevy.
The drop-top version of the E-Ray will weigh 4,056 pounds, while the coupe will cross the scales at 3,890 pounds, according to Chevy.
01-18-2023, 08:28 AM
#45
That's the convertible.
The coupe is under 3900.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024...g%20to%20Chevy.
The coupe is under 3900.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024...g%20to%20Chevy.