Why turbo over C2s
07-10-2022, 12:37 PM
#16
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This is like asking what's the difference between a Salisbury Steak and a Prime Rib.
Both are made of beef, and often served with the same sides (mashed potatoes, gravy, vegetables, etc.)
But to anyone who has eaten both, will tell you that there is indeed a difference. A major one at that.
Both are made of beef, and often served with the same sides (mashed potatoes, gravy, vegetables, etc.)
But to anyone who has eaten both, will tell you that there is indeed a difference. A major one at that.
07-10-2022, 12:45 PM
#17
Race Car
I had a 991.2 Turbo. It's been awhile since I've driven it, but I can't say that the 992 is obviously much faster than it. The 991.2 was really fast.
The biggest difference between the two, for me, is the sound and overall feel. The 992 sounds better. I'm not going to pretend it sounds as good as a nice NA motor, but it sounds pretty decent and better than the 991.2. The 992 is also more fun to whip it around corners; the 991.2 was less enthusiastic on tight roads. I'm happier with the steering feel on the 992 than I remember being with the 991.2.
I like the looks of the 992 better - the 991.2 had square hips and the 992 brings back more rounded hips which I like. The front end is also more aggressive looking.
It's a good upgrade, I think you'll like it.
The biggest difference between the two, for me, is the sound and overall feel. The 992 sounds better. I'm not going to pretend it sounds as good as a nice NA motor, but it sounds pretty decent and better than the 991.2. The 992 is also more fun to whip it around corners; the 991.2 was less enthusiastic on tight roads. I'm happier with the steering feel on the 992 than I remember being with the 991.2.
I like the looks of the 992 better - the 991.2 had square hips and the 992 brings back more rounded hips which I like. The front end is also more aggressive looking.
It's a good upgrade, I think you'll like it.
I also looked up the front track width on the 992 TTS- I think it's the same as the 991.2 GT3RS...I'm not sure this is a coincidence.
And the 992 has even beefed up the Burmester!
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AlexCeres (07-10-2022)
07-11-2022, 04:37 PM
#18
Burning Brakes
I didn't miss my 992 C2S but do miss badly my 991.1 TTS. Aside from power the TTS felt much more planted on the road during acceleration and cornering reflecting AWD and RWS. The PCCB also inspired confidence.
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chance6 (07-11-2022)
07-11-2022, 10:38 PM
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I had a 992 C2S before my TTS so I have some real world experience.
First thing - any reviewer who says the TT/S is "so refined it's not as exciting as a C2s" doesn't know what they're talking about. Full stop. They are probably just regurgitating old cliches carried over from the 991 TT/S. Lazy.
The two cars feel very different. The C2S has a linear power delivery - it is a quick car, but it does not feel particularly fast - especially on a roll. The TTS has a more traditional forced induction power delivery and is much more explosive. Below 3000 RPM, the two are more similar than not, but I feel like the TTS is a bit more responsive throughout the rev range. Above 3500-4000, the TTS is in a different league - the C2S is boring in comparison. From a dig - forget it. The C2S spins its wheels, the TTS just explodes forward violently.
Re: handing, the TTS is tenacious and can deliver incredible power around corners. The C2S doesn't come close to matching that. Even with all that power and all the tech, the TTS still has great feel which I think is the most impressive thing about the car. The way the TTS handles and delivers power makes it feel like a much more tossable car than it has a right to be.
Bottom line - the 992 chassis needs power to come alive - ironically I think the TTS is much more visceral and exciting than the Carrera S.
First thing - any reviewer who says the TT/S is "so refined it's not as exciting as a C2s" doesn't know what they're talking about. Full stop. They are probably just regurgitating old cliches carried over from the 991 TT/S. Lazy.
The two cars feel very different. The C2S has a linear power delivery - it is a quick car, but it does not feel particularly fast - especially on a roll. The TTS has a more traditional forced induction power delivery and is much more explosive. Below 3000 RPM, the two are more similar than not, but I feel like the TTS is a bit more responsive throughout the rev range. Above 3500-4000, the TTS is in a different league - the C2S is boring in comparison. From a dig - forget it. The C2S spins its wheels, the TTS just explodes forward violently.
Re: handing, the TTS is tenacious and can deliver incredible power around corners. The C2S doesn't come close to matching that. Even with all that power and all the tech, the TTS still has great feel which I think is the most impressive thing about the car. The way the TTS handles and delivers power makes it feel like a much more tossable car than it has a right to be.
Bottom line - the 992 chassis needs power to come alive - ironically I think the TTS is much more visceral and exciting than the Carrera S.
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AlexCeres (07-11-2022)
07-11-2022, 11:40 PM
#20
Burning Brakes
No replacement for displacement! The 3.0 is a good engine and you can tune the heck out of it but it will never be a 3.74 (3.8).... and not to mention the other aspects of the 992TT/TTS. Simply put, C2/C4/S/GTS is just a plain Jane compared to the Turbo. This is from someone who doesn't yet own a TT/TTS.
07-12-2022, 11:33 AM
#21
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GTS 2 vs a 992TTS becomes a little bit more interesting of a comparison/decision. There are scenarios Id choose one over the other here...the GTS is going to be a more fun drive and just a bit livelier, so if you're in an area with a lot of great/tight roads or canyons Id choose the GTS for fun all day. If you dont get to really drive on a lot of those roads, the TTS with its monumental power onslaught and unshakable grip is going to shine.
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AlexCeres (07-13-2022)
07-12-2022, 06:39 PM
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07-14-2022, 09:16 PM
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07-14-2022, 09:42 PM
#25
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The 992 is also more fun to whip it around corners; the 991.2 was less enthusiastic on tight roads.
07-15-2022, 12:42 AM
#26
Race Car
I picked up my aventurine beast tonight with SportDesign package and I can tell you: the sound and suspension alone prove the juice is worth the squeeze— I have Sport suspension and it finally makes the ride much more sporty. The 991.2 needed that.
But I will never smudge the 991.2 TTS reputation. Car was legit in its own right but the 992 really amps it up in all phases.
But they no longer put “Burmester” on the top speakers by the windshield… that’s the one miss on 992 so far. And that nubbin is ridiculous.
Last edited by chance6; 07-15-2022 at 12:45 AM.
07-15-2022, 03:03 AM
#27
You have chosen…wisely…
I picked up my aventurine beast tonight with SportDesign package and I can tell you: the sound and suspension alone prove the juice is worth the squeeze— I have Sport suspension and it finally makes the ride much more sporty. The 991.2 needed that.
But I will never smudge the 991.2 TTS reputation. Car was legit in its own right but the 992 really amps it up in all phases.
But they no longer put “Burmester” on the top speakers by the windshield… that’s the one miss on 992 so far. And that nubbin is ridiculous.
I picked up my aventurine beast tonight with SportDesign package and I can tell you: the sound and suspension alone prove the juice is worth the squeeze— I have Sport suspension and it finally makes the ride much more sporty. The 991.2 needed that.
But I will never smudge the 991.2 TTS reputation. Car was legit in its own right but the 992 really amps it up in all phases.
But they no longer put “Burmester” on the top speakers by the windshield… that’s the one miss on 992 so far. And that nubbin is ridiculous.
07-16-2022, 08:35 PM
#28
Race Car
The 992 TTS to 991.2 TTS improvements are also far larger than a 992 to 991.2 Carrera. IMO the 992 TTS is the only 992 worth upgrading from if you've got a 991.2. Porsche did a great job there... As far as the other smaller details, sure the 991.2 wins in certain aspects but you can't win em all. Spot on post!
With sport exhaust turned on, the car has the appropriate attitude. Porsche did a great job with it. And yes the outside styling is a step forward, for sure, as are the 18-way seats and seating position.
I'm still getting used to the PCM, but you'll have that issue in the C2S as well.
I guess it's true that if you went 991.2 C2S to 992 C2S, it's maybe not as many changes.
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vcp13 (07-17-2022)
07-16-2022, 10:23 PM
#29
Yes, you can have a stripper Turbo for the price of a loaded GTS, but who the f would want to make that trade? Loaded GTS guy wants a loaded Turbo.
My GTS was a hair shy of 180. Yes, that's over GT3 MSRP, and I could have opted for one. If there was an allocation and no ADM. 🙄
07-16-2022, 10:24 PM
#30
BTW I'm on my dealer's list for a 992.2 GT3T. In fact, I am the list. Be like me, talk to your SA.