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Old Dec 14, 2020 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by aquatone
I have just been offered an allocation for a Turbo (Non S).. I also have a heavily optioned C4S allocation that will shortly lock at $165K. The equivalent Turbo optioned spec comes out at around $190K so its around $25K difference and I could spread that out over time with today's cheaper finance. Otherwise, the only difference besides the 3.8L engine, is I took the PDCC option off, which I probably don't need.

I have not had any luck with an MSRP discount for the Turbo though have been offered a $500 car cover, a $2.5K wrap plus goodies from the store. OK, the wrap does have value as I would get it done anyway.

I have driven a C4S but not a Turbo 992 (I don't think anyone in the USA has?) Need to make a decision! I would be prepared to stretch to the Turbo but not sure I need it as the C4S is plenty fast. I would not regularly (except maybe once or twice) track the car. Given that both are AWD and of comparable specification, anything else I am not thinking of that justifies the Turbo?
I'm planning on moving to a 992 TT assuming everything plays out as it should. I used to own a 991.2 Turbo. From what I recall, the TT was faster feeling than the 992 C2s.

Don't get me wrong - the C2S is a very fast car, but the Turbo has a brutality that I don't get in the C2s. The 992 TT is faster than the 991.2 TT and, I suspect, will feel faster.

IMO, $165k is pushing the Carrera into an overbuild situation where you'll get hosed on resale.

The TT makes sense if building a tight, options light build. You want to keep a good healthy price delta between it and the TTS. Do it right and this car is an incredible value for what it is.
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Old Dec 14, 2020 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rk-d
I'm planning on moving to a 992 TT assuming everything plays out as it should. I used to own a 991.2 Turbo. From what I recall, the TT was faster feeling than the 992 C2s.

Don't get me wrong - the C2S is a very fast car, but the Turbo has a brutality that I don't get in the C2s. The 992 TT is faster than the 991.2 TT and, I suspect, will feel faster.

IMO, $165k is pushing the Carrera into an overbuild situation where you'll get hosed on resale.

The TT makes sense if building a tight, options light build. You want to keep a good healthy price delta between it and the TTS. Do it right and this car is an incredible value for what it is.
Yep ... and if the PFS long term financing deal is legit then me and the wife are going to have to have a little "talk"
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Old Dec 15, 2020 | 12:08 AM
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Tough. I have a 992 C4S that I like alot. I also have a 720S Spider and a 458 Speciale. The C4S with less power still feels special because you can actually keep your foot in it and let the tach wind out for a couple of gear changes and listen to the howl of the engine before you need to worry about going to jail. I felt the same way about my 991.2 GT3. You can keep your foot in it for a bit longer and enjoy the acceleration.

The TT (like my 720S and Speciale) is going to build speed so much more quickly that you are not going to have the same rush through the gears. I find the C4S to be fast enough to drive every day and think it really punches above its weight. But the TT is obviously going to be noticeably quicker. My view is that there is no wrong answer here. If you are a speed junkie, you will probably regret not getting the TT. Having said that - I owned a 991.1 TT and regretted not getting the TTS. If you think that will bother you, stick with the C4S. Plenty of car and you will enjoy it for sure.
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Old Dec 15, 2020 | 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by enzom
Tough. I have a 992 C4S that I like alot. I also have a 720S Spider and a 458 Speciale. The C4S with less power still feels special because you can actually keep your foot in it and let the tach wind out for a couple of gear changes and listen to the howl of the engine before you need to worry about going to jail. I felt the same way about my 991.2 GT3. You can keep your foot in it for a bit longer and enjoy the acceleration.

The TT (like my 720S and Speciale) is going to build speed so much more quickly that you are not going to have the same rush through the gears. I find the C4S to be fast enough to drive every day and think it really punches above its weight. But the TT is obviously going to be noticeably quicker. My view is that there is no wrong answer here. If you are a speed junkie, you will probably regret not getting the TT. Having said that - I owned a 991.1 TT and regretted not getting the TTS. If you think that will bother you, stick with the C4S. Plenty of car and you will enjoy it for sure.
When I built my 991.2 TT I optioned it up with Exclusive interior stuff until it hit within $10k of a TTS. That was a mistake. I think you want to keep it at least $20-25k less for the TT to make good sense. If I was within $10k this time, I'd just go TTS.

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Old Dec 15, 2020 | 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rk-d
I'm planning on moving to a 992 TT assuming everything plays out as it should. I used to own a 991.2 Turbo. From what I recall, the TT was faster feeling than the 992 C2s.

Don't get me wrong - the C2S is a very fast car, but the Turbo has a brutality that I don't get in the C2s. The 992 TT is faster than the 991.2 TT and, I suspect, will feel faster.

IMO, $165k is pushing the Carrera into an overbuild situation where you'll get hosed on resale.

The TT makes sense if building a tight, options light build. You want to keep a good healthy price delta between it and the TTS. Do it right and this car is an incredible value for what it is.
Do you have builds to compare?

Also take into account the difference in discount between a CS & TT allocation.
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Old Dec 15, 2020 | 02:36 AM
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There's a lot more than just horsepower and torque difference between a C4S and a TT (or TTS).

For one, while the same engine block is used, the TT has larger intercooler, different intake, different bore/stroke, different exhaust system, the AWD drive system is different as the TT has continuous variable torque split between front and rear, active aero (including an air brake), and a beefier PDK.

Then lets not forget those side air intakes, which I think are just sexy, esp. out of the side mirrors.
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Old Dec 15, 2020 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by smiles11
Do you have builds to compare?

Also take into account the difference in discount between a CS & TT allocation.
The main difference between my TT build and my C2S is the C2S has PCCBs. My TT build has iron brakes.

The TT already has a nice leather package and Bose stereo. I'm not getting a sunroof and don't have one on the Carrera. I will be getting SPASM on the TTS. I'm passing on PSE this time - the quad tips look sweet and are pretty iconic for the TT/TTS (I'm surprised they went oval tips on the PSE). Oddly enough, I'm debating Burmester but will probably pass.

I hate to miss out on PCCBs, b/c I love them, but there is no financial case to build a TT with PCCBs. I may as well get a TTS at that point. And TTS just isn't in the cards for me - I can't justify it right now. But having owned a TT previously, I know what a monster I'd be getting. The 992 TT is faster than the 991.2 TTS - which already had supercar level performance.

My TT build is coming out to ~$178-180k. At ~$15k over the OP's C4S build, it seems like a no brainer. There is a visceral difference between a Turbo and a Carrera that numbers fail to show.

I'm getting the same discount on the TT that I got on the C2s.

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Old Dec 15, 2020 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by rk-d
The main difference between my TT build and my C2S is the C2S has PCCBs. My TT build has iron brakes.

The TT already has a nice leather package and Bose stereo. I'm not getting a sunroof and don't have one on the Carrera. I will be getting SPASM on the TTS. I'm passing on PSE this time - the quad tips look sweet and are pretty iconic for the TT/TTS (I'm surprised they went oval tips on the PSE). Oddly enough, I'm debating Burmester but will probably pass.

I hate to miss out on PCCBs, b/c I love them, but there is no financial case to build a TT with PCCBs. I may as well get a TTS at that point. And TTS just isn't in the cards for me - I can't justify it right now. But having owned a TT previously, I know what a monster I'd be getting. The 992 TT is faster than the 991.2 TTS - which already had supercar level performance.

My TT build is coming out to ~$178-180k. At ~$15k over the OP's C4S build, it seems like a no brainer. There is a visceral difference between a Turbo and a Carrera that numbers fail to show.

I'm getting the same discount on the TT that I got on the C2s.
I understand it being a no brainer when the price delta is that close. I’m just trying to figure out how your C2S build is at $165k... even with ceramics.
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Old Dec 15, 2020 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by smiles11
I understand it being a no brainer when the price delta is that close. I’m just trying to figure out how your C2S build is at $165k... even with ceramics.
I was referring to OP. My C2s was $148k (MSRP) before discounts.
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Old Dec 15, 2020 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by smiles11
I understand it being a no brainer when the price delta is that close. I’m just trying to figure out how your C2S build is at $165k... even with ceramics.

not that hard to get there depending on just a couple pricey options...
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