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992.1 GT3 are really benefiting from the large price increase of 992.2 GT3. The center tach is a nice touch compared to an all digital dash and creating its own "demand pocket".
Would love to see your data indicating that the "center tach is a nice touch."
From: Mid-Atlantic (on land, not in the middle of the ocean)
Originally Posted by cooler2442
This is pure hopes and dreams. The 992.2 GT3RS will be a world beater and create its own massive hype with the lap times it will set due to the extra 150hp it will have along with even more aero/trickery. MSRP will be 350-375k depending on options, dealers will also ask a 150k+ ADM on them for at least the first year if not longer for a total of 450-600k(2RS already trades at these numbers easily and this will be a faster car). It will have no effect on the 992.1 GT3RS being the last NA 3RS and will keep those prices at 350-450k(depending on spec/cxx/pts/etc) which will then keep 992.2 GT3 prices are the 300-375k they are at now.
I agree that 992.2 3RS will be more like a tide that lifts all boats. Demand for 992.2 GT3 won't go away, I don't think they will ever sell new below MSRP unless the economy and stock market truly tank, and used ones should hold close to MSRP value if they have low miles and mint condition. If an owner puts a lot of miles on his GT3 (tens of thousands), he should expect the value to drop below MSRP, but that's the price of having been able to actually drive the car.
1. chicagomarketing is upset he bought a GT4RS and prices on those have crashed. Dealers are offering 30k-50k below MSRP on them if you wanted to trade it in. He probably could have bought a 992.1 GT3 for the same price he paid for his 4RS back then but didn’t.
2. He’s upset the GT4RS has come down so much in value that now he’s trying to drive the narrative that the 992 GT3 is “crashing” when in reality it’s not crashing anywhere as much as what the GT4RS has cratered.
3. He’s using AI and AI Slop to drive his narrative and every response to him he runs through AI and tries to get it to defend his case along with using whatever positive data points he can to create a spin for him.
Did I miss anything?
I just want to clear the air on this...
1. I bought my GT4RS at MSRP. Not over. Not at a markup. At sticker. I had the allocation for both a 992.1 GT3 and a GT4 RS. This was when pricing was very similar... I chose the GT4 RS because I wanted it — not as an investment, not to flip, not to park in a garage and watch values on a spreadsheet. I wanted a GT engine in a MID ENGINE platform. You didn't like it. Fine. Move on. I drive my car on a track. If your purchase decision was based on resale value instead of driving experience, we were never buying these cars for the same reason. And dealer trade-in offers? My dealer has already agreed to accept my GT4RS at $10K under (if I keep it under a certain amount of miles) what I paid for it whenever that is. This is pretty standard or MSRP for MSRP (which doesn't make sense but that is another topic). Ironically Porsche screwed up the mid engine platform and stop producing the GT4RS and the EV replacement. Its a mess. Cool. I still love the car.
2. Saying the ADM on 992.2 GT3 isn't crashing is wild. The 992.1 GT3 and the GT4 RS have different depreciation curves because they're fundamentally different cars in different segments at different price points with different buyer profiles. That's not controversial. thats segmentation. Porsche increased pricing to capture the ADM. Both of those things can be true at the same time without me needing to spin anything. Their price increase is directly impacting ADMs. You clearly paid a hefty ADM. That was your decision. Now you're understanding that perhaps these cars aren't assets, but depreciating assets. The same thing happened to the GT4RS - it was at a 100K ADM. Remember that? yeah. The GT3 isn't some holy grail baby. Its not even an RS product. The GT3 isn't immune to market forces.
3. I can write. Then If someone writes a structured argument your only response is "must be AI" that is not a solid basis for an argument. Not everyone who disagrees with you and can string sentences together is running your posts through ChatGPT. I literally built a database of car values for the Porsche GT market. ADMs are going down. One guy literally said he agreed on $50K ADM plus a stupid watch and then renegotiated for $38K without a watch. That is a 24% drop in 5 weeks excluding the watch. Why did that happen? But that doesn't fit you or your other forum members narrative. Why? Because you overpaid when the market was hot. They did too. So what? You can afford it?
But there is more. I am not the only analyst doing this. I do not have a monopoly on the data. It is for anyone to see. There is literally another guy who published a video a month ago: "Don't buy a GT3 right now". He tracks depreciation curves and he is using similar data that we all have access to. My motives are very clear. I am building a site with data. Im going to charge you for access for where the market is trending and prediction algorithm. This isn't rocket science.
Im trying to help the Rennlist community avoid paying inflated ADMs on a really nice car. And somehow that makes me the bad guy? Ironically the only ones attacking are the ones that already have their cars. They need to feel better about their decision. Rennlist is going through the stages of grief on ADMs right now for GT3s. Im saving smart people reading this thread money. Instead of leaping for joy that other members are saving money, you're attacking.
This thread is hilarious. Almost as dumb as this 992.2 GT3 just listed pre-owned for $1! I’m sure the OP will use it in his cherry picked data to support his thesis.
I guess the dealer got too many calls; it is now $74k over at $335k for a nothing special spec.
no, its a cluster**** of speculation and graphs with extremely biased data.
i do think the adm's will eventually go away on or around the time the 992.2 gt3 ends production and all of the current and incoming inventory is sold off. then, all cars will be sold at market rate.
