Lightning Lap - 2024 results
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How many american cars have you owned and how many of those were flagship cars? I have owned 2 C7 ZR1s (both manual) GT350 and a GT500. So I put my money where my mouth is. Been there done that. You get what you pay for. In fact with the new Z06, I think its a rip off because its still a chevy but you are now paying literally 50-60% more for a Z07 (vs 2015 Z07).
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With the 992 RS being so vastly different aero concept wise it's really going to depend on the specific layout of the track how much there is to gain (if anything)
I wonder if these cars all came on a brand new set of tires or if they had varying states of wear on them, some of the times are a little weird.
I wonder if these cars all came on a brand new set of tires or if they had varying states of wear on them, some of the times are a little weird.
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Not wanting to start an argument and in the UK a Z06 is vastly more expensive than in the US, but surely in the US it is a performance car bargain relative to the competition, so surely that is a 'well done' to Chevrolet??
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Rule #1 in America today is, "My tribe, right or wrong."
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It's a track with long straights (rewards power) and mostly short-radius corners (not as much benefit from aero), so it was not playing to 3RS strength perfectly. It did gain some by being able to brake very late after those long straights, though. Also, they pussied it through the S-es - the lift was not necessary. It is understandable and representative of what most drivers will do in real life, at least at first, so it's totally fair from that standpoint, but on the other hand, it's the place where the aero gives the most advantage, and they did not use 100% of the car's ability there. I wish they used Cup2 rather than Cup2R. I don't expect too many people doing enough seat time to approach the car's limits on Cup2Rs - that just becomes too costly.
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With the 992 RS being so vastly different aero concept wise it's really going to depend on the specific layout of the track how much there is to gain (if anything)
I wonder if these cars all came on a brand new set of tires or if they had varying states of wear on them, some of the times are a little weird.
I wonder if these cars all came on a brand new set of tires or if they had varying states of wear on them, some of the times are a little weird.
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No, I dont want to deal with Chevy. This isnt expectation of X quality at a price point of Y. Its more like refusing to deal with the brand no matter what Nd no matter how cheap it is. Z06 could be $60,000 instead of $174,000 (my build was) and I still would think the same way. Its the total package of owning a corvette from lawn chair people to gas station talk to dealership waiting room environment. I’d rather buy a VW golf if I didnt have the means or an M2. Because those track times it posts makes up less than 1% of the time of ownership. The other 99% is filled with the points I highlighted. This isnt your prestigious GT40 of an american sports car manufacturer. Its a mass produced every cent of profit squeezed at the cost of quality chevy.
Sure. I migrated away from Corvettes and Camaros also for certain points you’re making. But I still give kudos to the GM engineers for making the Z06.
On a related note, does this circuit not also favor high horsepower cars? Which makes the results even more interesting.
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It's a track with long straights (rewards power) and mostly short-radius corners (not as much benefit from aero), so it was not playing to 3RS strength perfectly. It did gain some by being able to brake very late after those long straights, though. Also, they pussied it through the S-es - the lift was not necessary. It is understandable and representative of what most drivers will do in real life, at least at first, so it's totally fair from that standpoint, but on the other hand, it's the place where the aero gives the most advantage, and they did not use 100% of the car's ability there. I wish they used Cup2 rather than Cup2R. I don't expect too many people doing enough seat time to approach the car's limits on Cup2Rs - that just becomes too costly.
Overall, I think VIR has enough fast corners (NASCAR, esses, south bend, hog pen) that the 3RS aero should work well there. But aero drag will certainty hurt the lap on the back straight and front straight. 3RS needs more power to complete the package, the aero has outrun the 4.0 NA engine.
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Overall, I think VIR has enough fast corners (NASCAR, esses, south bend, hog pen) that the 3RS aero should work well there. But aero drag will certainty hurt the lap on the back straight and front straight. 3RS needs more power to complete the package, the aero has outrun the 4.0 NA engine.
That makes it so much more satisfying and easy to modulate at the limit, that some people are not going to want to trade that for faster laps.
And this choice may not be available forever…
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Some manufacturers sent out cars with multiple sets of tires and a pit crew to extract the best time possible (Ford with the R Compounds) while others are like "we got this car here with half a tank of gas, please put 87 unleaded in it when you're done and clean the bugs off the windshield."
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Of course the 3RS would be faster with more power (we’ll see that with the GT2 RS), but there is something very special about that NA dry sump Motorsport engine that is built to an incredibly high standard with razor sharp throttle response.
That makes it so much more satisfying and easy to modulate at the limit, that some people are not going to want to trade that for faster laps.
And this choice may not be available forever…
That makes it so much more satisfying and easy to modulate at the limit, that some people are not going to want to trade that for faster laps.
And this choice may not be available forever…
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Night and day difference. With AWD and softer suspension and computerized torque distribution, you can’t appreciate (nor require) the same throttle sharpness at the limit as the GT3.
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Ridiculous test. “Results” don’t tell us anything.
Like has been said, conditions vary wildly. Even the condition of the lump in the driver seat. Not to mention the setup and alignment on each car. These things vary from car to car from the factory and vary here.
Sorry I just find it impossible to give much merit to these showdowns.
Like has been said, conditions vary wildly. Even the condition of the lump in the driver seat. Not to mention the setup and alignment on each car. These things vary from car to car from the factory and vary here.
Sorry I just find it impossible to give much merit to these showdowns.
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Surprising to see an AMG GT best all of the Porsches....
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The Black Series is no joke.
Curious what the 992 GT2RS can do with the GT3RS aero.
Curious what the 992 GT2RS can do with the GT3RS aero.