Any real feedback on Nankang CRS v2?
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It definitely lays down a fast lap time. I think it's a little more peaky than a RE71RS or Trofeo-R, but the V2 seems more durable from my testing. Stiff sidewalls. It likes pressures on the lower end, or else the rear pressures on a 911 seem to balloon a bit, where the Trofeo-R/RE-71RS will be a bit more stable, once you set hot pressures, and you don't have to keep bleeding them as much.
When they get hot, the rear can definitely be more lively, but they still lay down good times with a decent amount of yaw/slip angle. So they are "fun" to drive on IMO.
Ultimately, it's a super-200 tire, that lays down super fast laps.
I was able to turn a 2:10 lap at NCM, on heat cycle 8, which is crazy fast for streetable track tire that you can drive to the track with. It could probably do a 2:09.XX lap on it "magic" first 1-2 heat cycles in ideal conditions. It's within about 0.5-1.0 sec of a Trofeo-R I'd say, which is really amazing.
The only great thing about the Trofeo-R is that the inside compound is harder and more durable for aggressive track camber, so it allows more street/track miles before the inside edge would ever cord, unlike the CRS, which can sometimes cord on the inside with really aggressive camber. The V2 though seems to be holding up better than the V1 in that respect.
I will def. keep buying them for my 991.2 GT3, and about to mount up a set for my 7.2RS for lap time testing.
When they get hot, the rear can definitely be more lively, but they still lay down good times with a decent amount of yaw/slip angle. So they are "fun" to drive on IMO.
Ultimately, it's a super-200 tire, that lays down super fast laps.
I was able to turn a 2:10 lap at NCM, on heat cycle 8, which is crazy fast for streetable track tire that you can drive to the track with. It could probably do a 2:09.XX lap on it "magic" first 1-2 heat cycles in ideal conditions. It's within about 0.5-1.0 sec of a Trofeo-R I'd say, which is really amazing.
The only great thing about the Trofeo-R is that the inside compound is harder and more durable for aggressive track camber, so it allows more street/track miles before the inside edge would ever cord, unlike the CRS, which can sometimes cord on the inside with really aggressive camber. The V2 though seems to be holding up better than the V1 in that respect.
I will def. keep buying them for my 991.2 GT3, and about to mount up a set for my 7.2RS for lap time testing.
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The only thing i would debate is how much slower will the CRS actually be from the CUP2R and then - and equally importantly - for how long.
That is a nice mental exercise.
Lets assume that the CUP2R will be faster by 0.5 - 1 second, for the first heat cycle/stint and then i will make an assumption based on the experience i have had so far from the Cup2R and the sample i got from the CRS and say that this difference will drop to 0.
If this assumption stays true then it is a matter of trackday goal, budget and ego to decide which tire better suits the needs.
In the end, simply the fact that this tire is worth discussing and comparing against a high end tire like the Cup2R is definitely food for thought.
That is a nice mental exercise.
Lets assume that the CUP2R will be faster by 0.5 - 1 second, for the first heat cycle/stint and then i will make an assumption based on the experience i have had so far from the Cup2R and the sample i got from the CRS and say that this difference will drop to 0.
If this assumption stays true then it is a matter of trackday goal, budget and ego to decide which tire better suits the needs.
In the end, simply the fact that this tire is worth discussing and comparing against a high end tire like the Cup2R is definitely food for thought.
I think a brand new sticky 2R probably has 1.5-2 seconds on it at Spa but this is very short lived. But I agree the longevity at Spa was super impressive on the Nankang since the track eats tires.
While struggling with traffic I have to extrapolate a little, in my 991.2 I would have got a 2:34.3 on half used 2R (probably 1-1.5s off max sticky new time) and a low 2:35 on the CR-S. I nearly managed to complete a quick lap without getting held up but then a very slow 981 blocked Blanchimont. Actual times with slowdowns were 2:35.5 and 2:36 respectively 2R / CR-S. At Spa I think a regular cup2 can match the Nankang albeit only over 1 lap before needing a cool down whereas the CR-S you can string a bunch of laps together and it keeps up the grip.
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paradocs98 (04-27-2024)
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It definitely lays down a fast lap time. I think it's a little more peaky than a RE71RS or Trofeo-R, but the V2 seems more durable from my testing. Stiff sidewalls. It likes pressures on the lower end, or else the rear pressures on a 911 seem to balloon a bit, where the Trofeo-R/RE-71RS will be a bit more stable, once you set hot pressures, and you don't have to keep bleeding them as much.
When they get hot, the rear can definitely be more lively, but they still lay down good times with a decent amount of yaw/slip angle. So they are "fun" to drive on IMO.
Ultimately, it's a super-200 tire, that lays down super fast laps.
I was able to turn a 2:10 lap at NCM, on heat cycle 8, which is crazy fast for streetable track tire that you can drive to the track with. It could probably do a 2:09.XX lap on it "magic" first 1-2 heat cycles in ideal conditions. It's within about 0.5-1.0 sec of a Trofeo-R I'd say, which is really amazing.
The only great thing about the Trofeo-R is that the inside compound is harder and more durable for aggressive track camber, so it allows more street/track miles before the inside edge would ever cord, unlike the CRS, which can sometimes cord on the inside with really aggressive camber. The V2 though seems to be holding up better than the V1 in that respect.
I will def. keep buying them for my 991.2 GT3, and about to mount up a set for my 7.2RS for lap time testing.
When they get hot, the rear can definitely be more lively, but they still lay down good times with a decent amount of yaw/slip angle. So they are "fun" to drive on IMO.
Ultimately, it's a super-200 tire, that lays down super fast laps.
I was able to turn a 2:10 lap at NCM, on heat cycle 8, which is crazy fast for streetable track tire that you can drive to the track with. It could probably do a 2:09.XX lap on it "magic" first 1-2 heat cycles in ideal conditions. It's within about 0.5-1.0 sec of a Trofeo-R I'd say, which is really amazing.
The only great thing about the Trofeo-R is that the inside compound is harder and more durable for aggressive track camber, so it allows more street/track miles before the inside edge would ever cord, unlike the CRS, which can sometimes cord on the inside with really aggressive camber. The V2 though seems to be holding up better than the V1 in that respect.
I will def. keep buying them for my 991.2 GT3, and about to mount up a set for my 7.2RS for lap time testing.
Throw a mention for me when you do post if you want
Cheers,
Konstantinos.
#20
I tried the 991 RS sizes in Cup2 with same compound as 992 OEM. I found them to be twitchy and less sharp in their response. The twitchiness felt like there there was a lateral spring that took longer to dampen out. I attribute that to the side wall either being a different design in the larger size, slight taller, or a bit too big for the OEM rim size. In any case, it was a step backwards in feel and time (but time was negligible).
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paradocs98 (04-27-2024)
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Out of curiosity, what kind of lap times were you doing?
I think a brand new sticky 2R probably has 1.5-2 seconds on it at Spa but this is very short lived. But I agree the longevity at Spa was super impressive on the Nankang since the track eats tires.
While struggling with traffic I have to extrapolate a little, in my 991.2 I would have got a 2:34.3 on half used 2R (probably 1-1.5s off max sticky new time) and a low 2:35 on the CR-S. I nearly managed to complete a quick lap without getting held up but then a very slow 981 blocked Blanchimont. Actual times with showdowns were 2:35.5 and 2:36 respectively 2R / CR-S. At Spa I think a regular cup2 can match the Nankang albeit only over 1 lap before needing a cool down whereas the CR-S you can string a bunch of laps together and it keeps up the grip.
I think a brand new sticky 2R probably has 1.5-2 seconds on it at Spa but this is very short lived. But I agree the longevity at Spa was super impressive on the Nankang since the track eats tires.
While struggling with traffic I have to extrapolate a little, in my 991.2 I would have got a 2:34.3 on half used 2R (probably 1-1.5s off max sticky new time) and a low 2:35 on the CR-S. I nearly managed to complete a quick lap without getting held up but then a very slow 981 blocked Blanchimont. Actual times with showdowns were 2:35.5 and 2:36 respectively 2R / CR-S. At Spa I think a regular cup2 can match the Nankang albeit only over 1 lap before needing a cool down whereas the CR-S you can string a bunch of laps together and it keeps up the grip.
Unfortunately as you will see on the video, i wasn't able to have any clean laps just like you, due to traffic and also the ideal laptimes are not representative as there was traffic even at those ideal sector times.
On a run i had done last year with the AR1, i had a run into the 2.34 until i had major slide into Bruxelles due to a setup change which wasn't right and then it tumbled to 2:36.
Looking forward to getting some clean laps and seeing realistically what the tire can do.
Any memory of the tire pressures you were running during the day you drove the CRS?
Thanks,
Konstantinos.
#22
As mentioned above, finally found some time to post this.
Hope it serves you with some more info on what you are looking for.
Nankang CRS vs Michelin Cup2N Tire Test @ Spa Francorchamps
Best,
Konstantinos.
Hope it serves you with some more info on what you are looking for.
Nankang CRS vs Michelin Cup2N Tire Test @ Spa Francorchamps
Best,
Konstantinos.
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As mentioned above, finally found some time to post this.
Hope it serves you with some more info on what you are looking for.
Nankang CRS vs Michelin Cup2N Tire Test @ Spa Francorchamps
Best,
Konstantinos.
Hope it serves you with some more info on what you are looking for.
Nankang CRS vs Michelin Cup2N Tire Test @ Spa Francorchamps
Best,
Konstantinos.
Superb video. Hope I run into you guys at the track some time (not literally )
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GrantG (04-28-2024)
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A lot of good insight from everyone. Thanks, all. The CRS v2 must be getting popular as it’s unfortunately currently sold out in 992 GT3 sizing, complicated by the fact that shipping containers with new inventory have been held in port due to some snafu with NHTSA compliance paperwork. New CRS stock won’t be available for a few more weeks, so I went with Sport Cup 2 Rs for my early May event.
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K.Zannos (04-28-2024)
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Will be there in September for the RMA days (as well as tomorrow and Tuesday) as we are the ones doing the coach allocation for their trackdays.
Feel free to send an email at info@wdp-racing.com and i can send you my number
Best,
Konstantinos.
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JCviggen (04-28-2024)
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A lot of good insight from everyone. Thanks, all. The CRS v2 must be getting popular as it’s unfortunately currently sold out in 992 GT3 sizing, complicated by the fact that shipping containers with new inventory have been held in port due to some snafu with NHTSA compliance paperwork. New CRS stock won’t be available for a few more weeks, so I went with Sport Cup 2 Rs for my early May event.
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Hi Konstantinos,
Just watched your video - great presentation. When I first got my 991.2 GT3, I had Dunlop Race Maxx 2 and then went to the Michelin's. I thought those were very good at the time. Then I went off and tasted the forbidden fruit - the Pirelli Trofeo R. Fantastic tire, still probably my favorite, but does not last long and is pricey. Next I tried the Goodyear Supercar 3R. Those seem to hit the sweet spot - great tire, more longevity than the Trofeo R (ok, not by much) and fantastic performance. But, they stopped making the 3R in sizes for my car. So what to do? Buy a set of 19" wheels! I got those with 2 sets (one slightly used) of the Nanking AR-1. They seemed to be a very good tire as well - hard for me to tell but maybe as good as the 3R (or at least close). Problem - the AR-1's are pretty noisy on the road. That is fine driving to my local track (COTA) but not fine when I want to drive 3 hours to ECR. Enter my next thought is to try the CR-S. A guy at my last track day thought that while they are rated as 200 tw, he liked them better than the AR-1 and he also thought the sizing was slightly wider. Not comparable to what you have since we're talking 19" on a 991.2 GT3.
At the end of your video, you said something about liking the AR-1 but I am not sure how you would compare to the CR-S so maybe you can comment on that?
Also, not sure if you have the Goodyear Supercar 3R in Europe but if you do, can you compare the CR-S against those and/or the Trofeo R?
In the US, it seems there is some sort of hold up in buying the CR-S due to some fouled up paperwork submitted to NHTSA - https://philstireservice.com/product/nankang-cr-s-v2/
Scott
Thanks!
Just watched your video - great presentation. When I first got my 991.2 GT3, I had Dunlop Race Maxx 2 and then went to the Michelin's. I thought those were very good at the time. Then I went off and tasted the forbidden fruit - the Pirelli Trofeo R. Fantastic tire, still probably my favorite, but does not last long and is pricey. Next I tried the Goodyear Supercar 3R. Those seem to hit the sweet spot - great tire, more longevity than the Trofeo R (ok, not by much) and fantastic performance. But, they stopped making the 3R in sizes for my car. So what to do? Buy a set of 19" wheels! I got those with 2 sets (one slightly used) of the Nanking AR-1. They seemed to be a very good tire as well - hard for me to tell but maybe as good as the 3R (or at least close). Problem - the AR-1's are pretty noisy on the road. That is fine driving to my local track (COTA) but not fine when I want to drive 3 hours to ECR. Enter my next thought is to try the CR-S. A guy at my last track day thought that while they are rated as 200 tw, he liked them better than the AR-1 and he also thought the sizing was slightly wider. Not comparable to what you have since we're talking 19" on a 991.2 GT3.
At the end of your video, you said something about liking the AR-1 but I am not sure how you would compare to the CR-S so maybe you can comment on that?
Also, not sure if you have the Goodyear Supercar 3R in Europe but if you do, can you compare the CR-S against those and/or the Trofeo R?
In the US, it seems there is some sort of hold up in buying the CR-S due to some fouled up paperwork submitted to NHTSA - https://philstireservice.com/product/nankang-cr-s-v2/
Scott
Thanks!