I'm sure i saw one of the ST reviews that had a photo of the front windscreen VIN number in its gallery. If i stumble across it i'll post it here....

 

Agreed, but I don’t see any scenario up to 90mph where this flap is going to make much of a difference. My rear raises at 90mph instead of the 55mph. The car still has insane levels of mechanical grip. Even the RS doesn’t see much downforce until about 90. After that it’s a different animal.

 

Part No.: 9GT 827 770 OK1
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Thank you very much.

 

Looks like this spoiler will make its way to the 992.2 touring.

 

Lmao.....

ST guys going to be big mad. Get gaped by dealers, leases, and still have to live with the reality knowing what ones definition of novelty car is actually modern Porsche doing exactly what it did with the R.... crowd funding making a niche car all while allocating said funding into next non limited model. Except this time the were smarter, the did it early in the generation enough to carry over parts to the mass produced car and not have a gen lapse. Just saying 👏 Porsche. Well done.

 

^ Totally! I can't wait for the 992.2 Touring to have a 4.2L, SMFW, Mag wheels, carbon panels, revised gearing, and suspension software.

I just feel bad for all those S/T suckers who are so financially obtuse that they can't tell when Porsche is totally scamming them with the parts bin special that is $400K more than a Touring.

If there was only a Ted talk or an intervention all of us could do help out the S/T dudes...you know so they don't get taken advantage of in the future.

 

you really have no idea what you are talking about. Very few pieces from the R carried over to the 991.2 Touring. Not that LWFW, not the body panels, not the motor. The R was released at very end of 991.1 run just as S/T is currently at 992.1 end run. I know you are new to the Porsche world, but you should really research a bit before making up facts to spew even more hatred toward the S/T. Not sure why you continuously go out of your way to bash it.

my guess is the only thing that will move over to the 992.2 Touring is the revised suspension settings. Suspect they will further differentiate the winged 992.2 as a more track focused car while softening the Touring and making it even more comfortable so it can be truly a touring car with an NA motor. So more sound proofing, no LWFW, ect ect. Nobody buying an ST gives 2 craps about a gurney flap

 

Guess these wicked special parts aren’t that special…

 

No modern NA 911 is worth 400k yet alone 500/600k with premium. Collector or not. Its not even a money thing, its just thst the car as a whole isn't special enough. To each is their own and i wouldn't begrudge someone else's decisions.

People look at the cost of cars growth over time and ignorance clouds judgement as theres a huuuuge disconnect on inflationary impact on cars values from then vs now when looking at value held.

​​People buy these under speculation, and a 500k car today by standards of 10yrs ago the same car would've cost 350k. Point is, it's not that these machines are appreciating.... you need more bags in the barrel to buy it. That's roughly double what the R msrp was. So ask yourself this, since money doesn't go as far in todays standards vs 2016 would the R have been worth 350k to most back in 2016 especially since the 918 guys that essentially saved Porsche in that time were the true winners in that deal.

 

Never said the parts carried over. The money made from the R was and big R&D booster further leading to the 992 GT3/T development.

 

it’s all relative as Porsche has increased the price on all models. My 991.1 GT3 RS which I built and even met with Porsche Ciustoms (they used to fly out to meet you) was $200k with CXX. Current 992.1 GT3 RS with similar spec pushing $300k. My 991.2 GT3 was only $160k, that would barely be a well equipped 911 T now. What changed is that people started viewing these as assets which appreciate and not as usable items which depreciate, so slimeballs like Dokic entered the world and started funneling people to dealers willing to pay stupid money for a car to drive to Starbucks. Porsche wised up and saw the market was willing to pay more so they upped the base prices. As they are cranking more and more out it’s going to burn some folks who decided to pay stupid amounts for ADMs, but if they can afford it I just hope they enjoyed the drive for a little while.

My ST is at MSRP, and as per all my cars I plan to drive the crap out of it, not worried about cost or depreciation. I will put 3k miles on it over 2 weeks during ED this summer like I did my 4RS last summer. Like I did my Spyder the summer before. Like my GT3 before, GT3 RS before, ect ect. hopefully people will wise up and not view these things as assets but as objects for fun and enjoyment and the prices are will fall in line accordingly

 

Couldn't agree more! In all honesty I feel as a brand Porsche has shot low for a long while and their price point was too in between for many to feel exclusive enough. With that said, my 3rs is a 340k spec. I built it to what I like and personally dont care if in 10k miles it's worth half as I love my spec an it'll definitely be one I'll likely hold for a while. Cars in general come and go, great ones done come often enough.

 

Your best post so far!

In all honesty, as someone who has an S/T on the way at MSRP, I don’t think the gurney flap being carried over to the 992.2 Touring is pissing me off at all. What would kinda bother me is if they offered the same engine, same CF body panels, same clutch and flywheel, mag wheels and PCCB on a 992.2 Touring at 200-250k! I don’t care about the limited badge or the watch.

 

I hope they transpose many features to the touring. Better for people to experience it and why the S/T is special. They won't transfer everything, but that's ok - it's what makes the S/T unique as well. There will always be cars using features that were firsts on other cars... which is why the car with those firsts (or lasts in the air cooled case) are special to some degree. That's my thought on it... I mean, I experienced that first hand as I wanted an R badly and I bought a touring which I loved. Still want an R though.