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Old 12-28-2023 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 993TurboS
I like my cars, but they are not people. They don't feel, or care. They are pieces of machinery. And like many machines and other useful objects, they have other value depending on the buyer. Why buy an expensive watch for $50,000, especially if you already have one or more, and even more so when it probably keeps worse time than a $5 watch?

People buy actual art that is entirely useless to decorate their garage, yet if you buy a car to decorate your garage, it is somehow worse? How many miles do you put on that $20,000 painting your wife made you buy? The whole thing is a joke. I don't give a rats *** what my car "thinks" or "feels," or what some designer, engineer, or executive in Germany thought I'd do with my cars. If I want to crash them or store them for eternity, why do some people get their panties so into a twist?
Well put counter argument on that debate and in perspective you are correct.
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Old 12-28-2023 | 07:08 PM
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-My actuators for the rear wing are faded to a "pink" instead of "red"
WTF, that does not sound great. I wonder if that's a specific batch issue or if the coating on all of them is the wrong formula.
Old 12-28-2023 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 993TurboS
I like my cars, but they are not people. They don't feel, or care. They are pieces of machinery. And like many machines and other useful objects, they have other value depending on the buyer. Why buy an expensive watch for $50,000, especially if you already have one or more, and even more so when it probably keeps worse time than a $5 watch?

People buy actual art that is entirely useless to decorate their garage, yet if you buy a car to decorate your garage, it is somehow worse? How many miles do you put on that $20,000 painting your wife made you buy? The whole thing is a joke. I don't give a rats *** what my car "thinks" or "feels," or what some designer, engineer, or executive in Germany thought I'd do with my cars. If I want to crash them or store them for eternity, why do some people get their panties so into a twist?
^ I don't think anybody denies that you can do whatever you want with a car. But we are allowed to be sad about it.

When you hold onto a statue or a painting for 100 years, you generally aren't ruining it. They are static objects. But cars are not meant to be that way. They really are better off driven. So there is a bit of a difference. But once again, I have no issue with low mileage cars, I drove my Porsche and currently drive my R8 far less than a regular car. The problem is when people don't drive them at all. It's sad, that's all. Trust me, my panties aren't in a twist. I just find it unfortunate....
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Old 12-28-2023 | 08:29 PM
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I had a soft top on a DD that had minimal aging for over 15 years. Then Covid happened and the car sat there, static, for a while and the top slowly disintegrated. Was it just coincidence, or did the lack of daily tug/pull/flex accelerate the decay? Does that happen with rubber fittings / hoses as well? Mechanical objects should be used, that is generally how they were engineered.

The rest is just ego, do whatever you want with your property.
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Old 12-28-2023 | 09:54 PM
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In the hierarchy of sadness, self serving mile flexing threads judging how others use their possessions is higher up than any mothballed car.
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Old 12-28-2023 | 10:24 PM
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I'll light my cars on fire before I care about what random people on the internet think about my use of them.
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Old 12-28-2023 | 10:24 PM
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Sometime I don’t have time to drive the new car because I have 7 other cars in the garage.

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Old 12-28-2023 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 993TurboS
I like my cars, but they are not people. They don't feel, or care. They are pieces of machinery. And like many machines and other useful objects, they have other value depending on the buyer. Why buy an expensive watch for $50,000, especially if you already have one or more, and even more so when it probably keeps worse time than a $5 watch?

People buy actual art that is entirely useless to decorate their garage, yet if you buy a car to decorate your garage, it is somehow worse? How many miles do you put on that $20,000 painting your wife made you buy? The whole thing is a joke. I don't give a rats *** what my car "thinks" or "feels," or what some designer, engineer, or executive in Germany thought I'd do with my cars. If I want to crash them or store them for eternity, why do some people get their panties so into a twist?
The problem with this comparison is the art is doing what it was made to do, the car is not. Agree though, people can and should do whatever they want with their cars.
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Old 12-29-2023 | 10:40 AM
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I put a 100 miles on my bicycle this week.
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Old 12-29-2023 | 11:35 AM
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I put a 100 miles on my bicycle this week.
Well I have a beautiful Trek SL7 eTap that just hangs on the wall as useless art lol. I dust it every month.
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Old 12-29-2023 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by subshooter
I put a 100 miles on my bicycle this week.
Slacking. It's Festive 500 week. 500k (310 miles) is the goal this week.
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Old 12-29-2023 | 12:21 PM
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I understand both sides of this argument - it's a classic "have your cake and eat it too" problem
  1. people get to do what they want with their stuff
  2. all collectors of anything value "pristine"
  3. car's are meant to be driven - but doing so will break the "pristine"
if I could I'd buy two of each car - one for driving - one for pristine - and some cars I'd only buy one of - either a driver or pristine

but it's hard - limited funds and limited garage space keep me sane.

while I've had some success in life, I've not been successful enough to have any "pristine" cars - may be one day - but not today - I actually am kinda jealous of those that can keep pristine cars, but hope they don't deny themselves the joy of driving some of the available excellent machines that are available for purchase - Porsche brand or otherwise.

to each their own - but the RS in particular is a bit "raw" to be kept in the pristine category IMHO - of all the cars meant to be driven - well yeah - the RS is clearly on the "drive it" side of the equation.

passed the 1,500 mile mark yesterday in my RS - we are now beyond "pristine" - next up is a track day!!!

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Old 12-29-2023 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CPS992
I'll light my cars on fire before I care about what random people on the internet think about my use of them.
I guess we're going to disagree twice on this narrow issue. Once about whether to drive or park the cars (enough already said about this).

But I also don't consider Rennlisters just random people. I think of it as a community of sorts. I've had the pleasure of making friends here both virtually and in person. I now have friends on multiple continents, whom I never would have met otherwise. I've shared meals and drinks with folks at far-flung locales (often trackside or next to a picturesque Alpine pass), met their families, gone on hikes, shared first-ever laps of the Nordschleife, etc.

Not that I treat my cars in any particular way in order to impress or seek approval from this group. But I am going to listen to their perspective. Otherwise, why spend any time here at all?
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Old 12-29-2023 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dixonk
Well I have a beautiful Trek SL7 eTap that just hangs on the wall as useless art lol. I dust it every month.
I do the same thing with a great looking black and red BMC.

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Old 12-29-2023 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dixonk
100 mi on a car is crazy I don’t care how big the collection is. I have multiple houses and vehicles at each that all manage to get driven. I don’t think of the GT3 as a collectors car though so me personally I don’t see the value in keeping it in a bubble. Besides it will more than likely go back to the dealer in trade if ever and I could care less about the ding in value for having enjoyed the car. YMMV and this is just my opinion.
Same here! My business is only 3 miles from my primary home and even after rotating throughout the week with 4 to 5 other cars I still manage to put at least 3,000 miles in a year on each. Already have 925 miles on my 3RS that I just got a month ago.
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