right on my friend.
I moved on to manufacturers who flies me first class to fun places...
enough is enough

 

yes no questions. and 993 964 even better.
but I no l longer have the believe of keeping cars forever.
when I fully ruin my 992GT3, remember you have first right of refusal l;-)

I don't agree on steering. if you drive just with one finger. you can feel everything on 992
most ppl use full hand
I use my other fingers to text you. thus typo. but the pointer finger feels every ripple on pavement. and a lot of steering wheel is from the a** not hand. like bikes or in your case motorcycle



I maybe wrong
always that chic like big
but I got over size once I started driving my dually. I parked that thing in SF lots. if you can do that. nothing is too big. just zoom.
I don't bother slowing down though toll booth with 44' behind dually at 65mph. I haven not destroyed toll booth yet. it's fine size ok


yes sold mine

5k hahahha
remember the pic I sent you. 85xx is where life begins.

 

Yea manual 991.2 here for weekend drives and pdk 992 for track.

 

Traded in my 991.2 GT3 Touring to a 992 GT3 Touring manual and haven't missed the older harsher engine which had more vibrations and whole throttle mapping with the double clutch intervention which was erratic because of how the flat-shift was implanted.

992 engine throttle response excellent and doesn't seem to interfere with double clutching manual rev-matching in any way (unlike 991.2 gt3 manual) and has crisper throttle response and smoother sound, love the ITBs.

 

I would imagine you are talking about the 964 RS America for '93/'94?

I had a brand new 1990 Carrera 2 and it was literally a "lemon". I spent so much time in my service manager's office with my feet propped up on his desk it wasnt funny.

Oil lines splitting and leaking. High beam bulbs went out at 20,000. Horn went out at 22,000. The car was delivered without the fuel gauge working. And the icing on the cake was a very poor
flywheel design that cracked and allowed silicon fluid to spill out over the clutch and destroying it. This was a huge issue on the '90, '91. and some '92's and Porsche never did a recall.
They "hid" behind doing a case-by-case basis warranty work on the drive train. Meanwhile, because the clutch was deemed a "wear" item I had to come up with $995 for a new clutch.

This 964 model was 83% changed from the old 911 series and wasn't ready for prime time. It was a bad joke and lead to JD Power Surveys putting Porsche in the basement.
When tuned (right after a valve adjustment) it had some "pep". But that would only last for 2 weeks before the valves lost their adjustment. Otherwise, it was a slow car
that would lose out to a Nissan Altima drag-racing up a freeway onramp. Paid $60,000 new. Sold for $33,000 with 47,000 miles on it.
Was literally done with Porsche at that point.

 

Every time I get back in the R now after driving the 992 Touring the R feels "loose" and sloppy...which i know it's not...just speaks to how sharp the 992 really is. I LOVE the R and always will but it is pretty incredible what driving a 992 GT3 can do to your feelings when driving anything older. Even the best of the older

 

So true.

 

very well said, felt the same way going back to my 991.2 GT3RS steering and handling just didn't feel as special as before I got the 992 GT3. Only after spending more time in the RS does it feel like ok this is special but right after the 992 feels less scalpel like

 

The only way to get a 992.2 GT3 is to be on the list today. I am there. The 992.1 is sold out.

A guy gets on the list after buying many previous Porsche cars. My dealer just makes sure that previous customers get all new 911 allocations. It's all MSRP.

I can wait a long time. I have a 2023 Porsche 911 Turbo that I ordered in 2022. It's goes to the dealer for it's first service with a loaner next month.

 

No..I don’t think Porsche will let peak GT3 be slower and less engaging (subjectively) than a corvette. They need to go out with a bang.

 

It seems to me that the end of the Porsche 911 ICE cars is a weird dream,

They have few EV charging stations on the road and many of them do not work well. It's also clear that all EV cars are not selling. Yes, Telsa is doing great and has profits. No one else comes close.

 

I’ll chime in. I’ve had every GT car made brand new since I ordered a 996 in 2004.

I think Enzo Ferrari said it best when asked what is his favorite Ferrari, his answer, “the newest one”. That’s my answer too for the GT cars.

 

I'll give the unpopular answer: best one is the one that is in your garage. Everyone has different use cases.

I was fortunate in that my friend and I switched cars for a quick backroad drive, he has a 992 GT3, I have 997.1 GT3. 992 GT3 steering blew away 997. Wasn't even close to me. So direct, I could feel everything. Shifter way easier on 992, yet still felt engaging and precise. Prefer 997 clutch even though it's heavier, there's more feel. I stalled 992 (embarrassingly 2x) before I got the hang of it. I'll make the excuse that I was coming out of my 997. 997 I do prefer the size. Prefer 992 brakes and suspension. I prefer 991.2 GT3 motor over 992. Granted the 991.2 GT3 had a GMG bypass whereas 992 was stock, but even stock for stock, the 991.2 sounds better on startup and inside, to me. Now, I've heard 992 with full exhaust and they sound insane. For my use case which is weekly backroad drives point a to point a drives, the 997 doesn't get better to me. It's a workout when you drive it. 992 feels as engaging and very exciting, just easier. I'd be happy in any of them. But I'm beyond happy with my 997 and have no desire to sell. If I had the means to add, I'd for sure add a 992 GT3. I don't think Porsche will allow a bad GT3 to go out the door.

 

Agreed. The question is, why? Is it the wider track? different RAS? Double wishbone? More mechanical grip? The easy answer is all of the above. The harder one is, in what order? Never driven an R so I don't know.

Also, there's nothing wrong with loose. Sharp is precise. Loose is fun. In longhoods, that's the difference between wider cars like the wider ST and 3.0 RS vs narrow R and 73RS.

 

100% agree with your sentiment. There was a story in the news just last week that Europe will relax emission standards. EV scale is not that close to reality, not to mention nobody wants them currently. Sitting on dealer lots, and generally speaking, losing money with each sale . It’s going to be a while before the GT3 needs to go electric, if ever. There will be plenty of time for Porsche to make a faster, more engaging car. Especially if they scale the synthetic fuel.