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Old 10-22-2023, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by neanicu
If I remember correctly,last I checked PET it was almost 100 grand...
I wouldnt get a new motor, Sharkwerks would be happy to play with a 992… so before you drop the $$ back to stock Id go make it a 600 hp gt3

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Old 10-22-2023, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Wonderdan
I wouldnt get a new motor, Sharkwerks would be happy to play with a 992… so before you drop the $$ back to stock Id go make it a 600 hp gt3
Not sure the MT will handle that power very well…
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Old 10-22-2023, 11:44 PM
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The Gt3 clutch is just a single plate, unlike the twin plate used in the Carrera S and GTS its a much lighter unit.
having less mass you would assume it would handle higher RPMs, better?
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Originally Posted by raymort
Not sure the MT will handle that power very well…
Gearboxes don’t care about power - they are limited by torque (I haven’t seen the specs of the Sharkwerks NA motors, but I’m guessing they don’t have huge torque - a 600hp turbocharged motor would be a different story).

If Sharwerks has never made a 600hp NA motor for the 992 GT3, I’m not sure I’d want to be the first (without a healthy discount for the Beta testing)…

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Old 10-23-2023, 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 4carl
The Gt3 clutch is just a single plate, unlike the twin plate used in the Carrera S and GTS its a much lighter unit.
having less mass you would assume it would handle higher RPMs, better?
it was specifically designed to break in this very instance and it appears to have done it job.
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Old 10-23-2023, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by alcc
This makes no sense to me. Shouldn't the autoblip software in this case compute the revs needed to rev-match, detect hey this is an over-rev condition, and simply shut off the throttle?
The throttle can be shut off but the engine is spinning at the high speed once the gear shift is done. The ecu can't stop the 2nd gear from being engaged as opposed in a pdk. so, the physics still rules...

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The cup manual does call to inspect the valve train, the top of the cylinders in the event of over-rev. Best course of action is to take out and engine to inspect as indicated in the cup car service manual.
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Originally Posted by Stephen Shi
The cup manual does call to inspect the valve train, the top of the cylinders in the event of over-rev. Best course of action is to take out and engine to inspect as indicated in the cup car service manual.
Maybe it's possible to put a boroscope into the spark plug hole (this is easily done without any parts removal, other than plugs). You probably wouldn't see the valves, but you would see the piston tops.

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Originally Posted by Stephen Shi
The throttle can be shut off but the engine is spinning at the high speed once the gear shift is done. The ecu can't stop the 2nd gear from being engaged as opposed in a pdk. so, the physics still rules...
I replied earlier: "I know. Which is why I said the same software should detect the (impending) over-rev condition and either lock out the clutch engagement or, better, the gear shift. A lockout mechanism in the transmission should not be difficult to implement."


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Originally Posted by alcc
I replied earlier: "I know. Which is why I said the same software should detect the (impending) over-rev condition and either lock out the clutch engagement or, better, the gear shift. A lockout mechanism in the transmission should not be difficult to implement."
You would need 6 different lockouts that independently release each of the gears (including reverse, but excluding 6th).
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Originally Posted by GrantG
You would need 6 different lockouts that independently release each of the gears (including reverse, but excluding 6th).
my guess is this is probably possible to do with some R&D investment but ICE cars are a dying breed… and manuals are sadly way ahead of that so there isn’t much incentive. Plus purists will argue that they don’t want the “nanny” system haha.
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Old 10-23-2023, 05:21 PM
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I will admit this story gives me goosebumps - I don’t track my manual cars but still mistakes happen and I would be devastated if this happened to one of my cars - especially my speedster.
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Originally Posted by av12345
I don’t track my manual cars but still mistakes happen and I would be devastated if this happened to one of my cars - especially my speedster.
I actually feel like the risk is lower for me on the track (I've been driving the same track for many years and you have the same shift points every 2 minutes and you get into a rhythm where muscle memory is very strong). On an unfamiliar road, I'd be more likely to be distracted. But the risk is not very high (but still not zero) in either setting...
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Chevrolet locked out 2nd gear and made you go 1st to 4th for gas mileage purposes on previous corvettes (under certain conditions).

I cannot imagine it would be that hard to implement.
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Originally Posted by 3 2 1 Fights On
Chevrolet locked out 2nd gear and made you go 1st to 4th for gas mileage purposes on previous corvettes (under certain conditions).

I cannot imagine it would be that hard to implement.
For a track focused car, can’t imagine this would be a good idea tho. Leave the driver in control.


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