Originally Posted by Drifting

I have a similar perspective and collection of cars other than the Turbo.

1-991.2 GT3
2-incoming Spyder RS
3- BMW M440i Gran Coupe xdrive for daily/long weekend trip car.

Personally I prefer an M340i or M440i xdrive over a 911 Turbo. My GT3 and Spyder RS are my fun weekend/Track cars.
Then I have a practical AWD turbo 4 door sedan for all seasons and all purposes, including transporting more than 2 adults, and more than a couple bags of cargo.

A 911 turbo is certainly faster and handles better than the bimmer. And I completely understand those who have a Turbo as their everything car.

But if one already has a porsche 911 GT and a GT convertible for fun weekend cars, then I don’t understand the need for a 911 turbo, as it can only transport two people and limited cargo.

Originally Posted by Manifold

Perhaps I'm getting old.

Originally Posted by Oileater

I’ve heard nothing but rave reviews about the 750S — which has erased my desire to get a TTS again. Maybe something for you consider if you haven’t already. Seems to address the lack of front grip that confounded the 720S, apparently.

Originally Posted by Manifold

I've had the 4RS for a few days, have driven it about 200 miles. Drove it today and also drove the GT3, so I could compare the two cars the same day.

My current opinion is that the 4RS does NOT make the GT3 seem boring, too refined, etc. The GT3 is plenty exhilarating, and plenty loud when you wring it out, while feeling like a more sophisticated and developed car than the 4RS.

I'm really glad I didn't trade in the GT3, it's a keeper for sure.

Originally Posted by Manifold

People may not want to hear this here, but for me, subjectively, my McLaren 570 GT is a better overall car than all of my Porsches, including the 992 TTS.

The 570 feels just as fast as the TTS, has better and more telepathic handling than the Porsches, has better steering feel (hydraulic) than the Porsches, sounds just as good as the Porsches (redline is 8,100 rpm), the transmission is just as good as PDK sport, it has better ride quality than the Porsches, has three damping modes instead of two, is just as comfortable ergonomically (except that the pedal box is too narrow), and has more sense of drama than the Porsches (though the 4RS may give the 570 a run for it's money there, we shall see).

The McLaren has also been reliable, with no problems in the year that I've owned it, during which I've put about 3k miles on the car. It sometimes rattles a bit, but so do the 992 GT3 and TTS.

The MSRP on the 570 was $251k in 2018, which inflates to about $300k today, so arguably it SHOULD be a better car than the Porsches. But I paid $160k for the car a year ago with 8300 miles on it, and I consider that to be a bargain.

The issue for the McLaren is that it's too flashy to be a weekday car, so it's a weekend-only car for me. I'll track it to have the experience, but for regular track use, Porsche is my car. And for weekdays, the 992 TTS is a fun car, I really enjoy it's performance - not as poised as the 570, but it's fun to try to figure how best to drive it, a bit of an interesting puzzle because there's clearly so much depth of capability there.

I'm open to upgrading the 570 at some point, but the idea of getting an even faster McLaren does give me some pause. The car is already crazy fast. Maybe the 720 or 750 are more fun at sane speeds? I guess I have to try.

On a somewhat related point, I decided today that I'm going to sell my manual 997.1 C2S. It's a fine car, but I want to get rid of a car so that all of the cars fit in the garage. The 997 is the one to go because it feels a bit clunky compared to the more modern 911s, and I've reached a stage of my driving life where I prefer cars that are buttoned down and sharp, lacking handling foibles. I don't really derive much enjoyment from manual any longer either, feels 'been there, done that' (but we'll keep our manual Cayman R). Perhaps I'm getting old.

Originally Posted by Oileater

since there is a lot of nostalgia and hype around the 997 being the last analog 911 (most consider the 991 to be the too large car and they screwed up EPS on it) — I would like to hear more about the foibles of the 997 from your POV?

Originally Posted by Oileater

since there is a lot of nostalgia and hype around the 997 being the last analog 911 (most consider the 991 to be the too large car and they screwed up EPS on it) — I would like to hear more about the foibles of the 997 from your POV?

Originally Posted by pitt911

looking forward to your opinion on 4RS
I personally think it is a very good car but I feel it is overhyped and a GT3 is a better value

Originally Posted by Manifold

My current sense is that the 4RS is roughly on the same level as the 992 GT3.

4RS has a fireworks soundtrack and mid-engine dynamics and cozy cockpit.

GT3 has 911 handling dynamics, but with a front end that bites and holds, making the front of the GT3 sharper than the 4RS.

GT3 feels a little bigger, but not a lot bigger, and the GT3 doesn't feel any heavier to me.

These impressions may change as I have more time in the 4RS and do more back to back comparison.

Cool thing about Porsche sports cars is that they're so finely engineered that, at least for me, there are things to explore and discover over time in them. I'm not able to do a quick test drive and know everything I can know about the car.

Originally Posted by PTS

It also looks/feels about a decade older than the 992 GT3. Whether or not that is a positive or negative is subjective.

I love an older feeling interior, but on an actual older car

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

Double wishbone and the engine is anemic below 5k (even more so than the 992 GT3)

Only thing going for it is the hydraulic steering, but the 992 EPAS is as good as it gets. Plus the rake and staggered wheel sizes (20/21) does help with steering feel in the 992.

Originally Posted by Manifold

Yes, subjective.

I much prefer the cockpit of the 991 and GT4/RS cars over the 992 cars. OTOH, I like the external appearance of the 992 GT3 more than the 4RS.