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Old 10-19-2021, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Ukkid74
@ggreg911 plz post pics Of the bar etc when you install ! My car comes dec6th so currently in the hunt for a bar & deciding on color etc.
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The install is scheduled for Nov 4 with Champion Motorsports. They are installing the GMG WEC bar.
I will post pics when its done.
Old 10-19-2021, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Il CP
Just because someone is willing to pay more, does that not mean they value the car more. Value represents more than what you are willing to pay. I see lots of people who pay through the nose, but hardly use their cars. To me a car not driven has no value. My 981 for example, has over 20k track km on it and just as,many street km. I put over 10k track km on my 991.2 GT3RS for a total of 18k km before I sold it. Had it for less than two years. My Touring will be a year round daily driver. What defines value has little to do with what you pay but everything to do with what you want from the car and how you use it. For me to be even remotely interested in paying over sticker, it has to be something very special.

The free market in the US seems to be defined by peoples fear of not being first.
No..its defined by those with the means to buy what they want when they want. The only people who cry about it are those who lack the means.
Old 10-19-2021, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Il CP


Here's the reality of things. The 992 will be the highest number produced GT3. Porsche is churning out every car they can. This is also why later on, we will see a depreciation, and sooner rather than later, MSRP allocations will be much more common. What do you think happens once the GT3RS starts to flood the market? Many who bought regular GT3's will be trading them in, and people will be much less interested in the regular GT3 as the RS is now the new hot thing and more used inventory becomes available. Then the cycle starts again and some will fall over themselves to pay ADM in order to be first.
That's the normal cycle, but these are not normal times.
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Old 10-19-2021, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ggreg911
No..its defined by those with the means to buy what they want when they want. The only people who cry about it are those who lack the means.
Really? ADM is not beyond my means, far from it. I just refuse to pay it.
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Old 10-19-2021, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by konaforever
That's the normal cycle, but these are not normal times.

There's just soooo many 911s at dealerships all over the US.....soooo many 718s out there too. Porsche is just pumping out so many sports cars. Who said there's global supply chain issues? Not for Porsche...you can tell by the packed dealership lots.
They're going to make everyone a GT3. I read that somewhere on Rennlist.

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Old 10-19-2021, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Il CP
Really? ADM is not beyond my means, far from it. I just refuse to pay it.
Well then in the US at least, as Danny Noonan once said "...then yoouuu don't get no Coke..."

Seriously, it seems like half the threads on Rennlist are just rich guys whining about how other rich guys like to spend their money.
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Old 10-19-2021, 04:49 PM
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^Great post...made me LOL

I will change the trajectory. I followed my son Sunday while he drove my 991RS and I drove my new 992S cab with stick. Drove the canyons in Malibu. We are all lucky to have these amazing machines.
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Here is a pic...


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Old 10-19-2021, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
Well then in the US at least, as Danny Noonan once said "...then yoouuu don't get no Coke..."

Seriously, it seems like half the threads on Rennlist are just rich guys whining about how other rich guys like to spend their money.
That is the part i seriously do not understand. Why folks are gong-ho about random peoples opinion determining if they made the right decision is beyond ridiculous. And those that tell people who can afford to pay the ADM that they have more money than sense or whatever do not see the irony
Old 10-19-2021, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Il CP
won't be getting any of their fun cars?
Here's the reality of things. The 992 will be the highest number produced GT3. Porsche is churning out every car they can. This is also why later on, we will see a depreciation, and sooner rather than later, MSRP allocations will be much more common.
I can't speak factually for Europe, nor all of the US. However, I can tell you that in 3 major metropolitan areas of the US in FL, TX and IN, none of the 7 local dealerships ever had a new 991 (either a.1 or .2) GT3 on their lots at MSRP and none of them are offering a 992.1 GT3 for MSRP to even multi-car purchasers. I wish everyone could buy a GT3 at MSRP .... but that just has not been my experience. Admittedly, my reference is from a very limited sample set, but it seems to me that it is much more representative of what prospective purchasers should expect for a new GT3 in the US.

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Old 10-19-2021, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ggreg911
There's just soooo many 911s at dealerships all over the US.....soooo many 718s out there too. Porsche is just pumping out so many sports cars. Who said there's global supply chain issues? Not for Porsche...you can tell by the packed dealership lots.
Their going to make everyone a GT3. I read that somewhere on Rennlist.
I see the following:
2019 GTS with 10,000 miles going for $5k over sticker
2020 C2S going for MSRP with 6000 miles on it
Many dealers have become used car salesmen exclusively...
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Old 10-20-2021, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Il CP
won't be getting any of their fun cars?

Well, my Taycan Turbo S is scheduled for delivery next month and my manual PTS Touring is inbound too. I still own my 981 GT4 and had a 991.2 GT3RS.

Just to put into perspective how my local market looks. My Ferrari dealer has 110 registered VIP clients. That is the highest number in all of Europe.

Here's the reality of things. The 992 will be the highest number produced GT3. Porsche is churning out every car they can. This is also why later on, we will see a depreciation, and sooner rather than later, MSRP allocations will be much more common. What do you think happens once the GT3RS starts to flood the market? Many who bought regular GT3's will be trading them in, and people will be much less interested in the regular GT3 as the RS is now the new hot thing and more used inventory becomes available. Then the cycle starts again and some will fall over themselves to pay ADM in order to be first.
I don't understand where the confusion is here...if your dealer can supply you and the 100s of other VIP clients GT and other in-demand cars and still do it at MSRP you are proving my point: their supply outpaces your demand. Not the case in the US marketplace, perhaps we have too many dealers as we are such a large market, or too much dispersed wealth vs Europe.
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Originally Posted by Il CP
Really? ADM is not beyond my means, far from it. I just refuse to pay it.
I respect your right to hold out on principal. 991s are selling for more than original MSRP in some cases, used GT3s well above sticker - the market has changed, due to the farcical focus on "green" BEVs among other things. It may go back, i choose not to chance it and wait. Life is short!
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Originally Posted by chance6
I see the following:
2019 GTS with 10,000 miles going for $5k over sticker
2020 C2S going for MSRP with 6000 miles on it
Many dealers have become used car salesmen exclusively...

Exactly. People will be paying over MSRP on 992 GT3s for the next couple years. And if you're a well principled man who refuses to pay over, "you aint gettin no coke." I lack principles and enjoy drinking Coke.
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278k looks cheap. Someone post on here their dealers are asking 300k-350k. 150k over msrp


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