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3-Pedals 10-09-2021 09:39 PM

Manual Transmission Feedback
 
I’m curious how the manual transmission compares to 991 GT3 as well as 997 GT3 as far as clutch and shifter. Hopefully there are manual transmission owners out there who can chime in.

shahrukh_bakar 10-09-2021 09:55 PM

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red route 1 10-09-2021 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by 3-Pedals (Post 17716367)
I’m curious how the manual transmission compares to 991 GT3 as well as 997 GT3 as far as clutch and shifter. Hopefully there are manual transmission owners out there who can chime in.

991 GT3 MT, esp on the 911R, is very close to the 992 which I think is the best of all those. But very different to the 997 generation, which had a much heavier clutch and shift was less "bolt action" in comparison, in my opinion. If you like MT then you'll like the 992 GT3 MT. It's everything the reviewers say it is.

CAlexio 10-10-2021 12:08 AM

991R doesn't have flat up shift. Minor point of differentiation between the two. And somehow 991.2 GT3 the clutch feels impossibly light, even lighter than 911R with SMFW.

3-Pedals 10-10-2021 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by red route 1 (Post 17716502)
991 GT3 MT, esp on the 911R, is very close to the 992 which I think is the best of all those. But very different to the 997 generation, which had a much heavier clutch and shift was less "bolt action" in comparison, in my opinion. If you like MT then you'll like the 992 GT3 MT. It's everything the reviewers say it is.

The reviewers say it is even lighter than 991, I dont know if thats true because 991 was already too light.

flat6fan18 10-10-2021 12:00 PM

Manual owners, please update this thread with your impressions on the clutch/gear shift feel after you take delivery. Much appreciated and thank you in advance!

johnr265 10-10-2021 01:29 PM

I had about 12k miles in the 991.2 RS and only about 30 in the 992. Both have similarly short, precise gearing and spacing. Initial impression was just the slightest bit less of the precise engagement but I am willing to chalk it up to car not broken in yet. Not such that you would ever miss a gear however. Knob size is the same. Clutch is quite light but agree, it was in the 991.2 as well. With a 3 month gap from driving one to the other, I'd say very similar clutch weight and engagement.

997.2 RS (my basis for comparison there) was a good bit stiffer clutch. I had issues with that transmission when cold with notchy/difficult engagement though when warm, it was very precise (more of a metal slotting into metal feel). Stiffest clutch by FAR was the 996 GT3 (that made your left foot tired in traffic!) though the shift action while fine, was leagues worse than 997 and beyond

motorwerksgroup 10-10-2021 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by CAlexio (Post 17716533)
991R doesn't have flat up shift. Minor point of differentiation between the two. And somehow 991.2 GT3 the clutch feels impossibly light, even lighter than 911R with SMFW.

Did the 911R MT have launch control like the 991.2 GT3 did?

Mech33 10-11-2021 12:00 AM

Looking forward to hearing any comparisons of the 991.2 GT3 6MT to the 992. Last gen clutch was a bit too light for me.

flat6fan18 10-11-2021 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Mech33 (Post 17717929)
Looking forward to hearing any comparisons of the 991.2 GT3 6MT to the 992. Last gen clutch was a bit too light for me.

Im curious about this as well. The light clutch feel is why I won’t buy another modern BMW.

3-Pedals 10-11-2021 10:17 AM

One of the reviews did say the clutch is lighter than the 991 clutch. But that was single review and no other reviewer has mentioned it (but then these other reviews also did not comment on clutch feel).

I have a C7 ZR1, its clutch is probably about 70% stiff as the 997 clutch which to me is right at the borderline too light.

The 991 clutch was way too light but more so than how light it was, the engagement point was way too high. I dont understand why do they do this in a GT3. I understand in a GTS or another model why they must be doing it but GT3 doesnt make sense.

flat6fan18 10-11-2021 11:20 AM

With a lighter clutch, I assume it would make it a easier manual to drive for a larger proportion of people (regardless of manual skill level)? But Matt Farrah did mention multiple times on his podcast, he stalled it a few times, though that could be more related to the lighter flywheel.

flk 10-11-2021 12:13 PM

I don't notice a big difference between my 991.2 and 992.
The 980 mile break-in puts a damper on really getting a feel for it though.

CAlexio 10-11-2021 12:13 PM

Light engagement of controls allows for more precision, and are a positive evolution of sports cars. heavy controls are not "manly" or have more race-Cred, they are just harder to engage. Matt stalled it because he stalled it, rarely does a reviewer blame themselves.

raymort 10-11-2021 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by CAlexio (Post 17718539)
Light engagement of controls allows for more precision, and are a positive evolution of sports cars. heavy controls are not "manly" or have more race-Cred, they are just harder to engage. Matt stalled it because he stalled it, rarely does a reviewer blame themselves.

Also, isn’t a high engagement better for faster shifting. That’s what I grew up with and am pretty fast with a clutch press. I don’t want to hit the floor to change gears.


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