992 GT3 Factory Brake Fluid
#16
I did (on 991.2 though). Ferodo lasted longer and was better on rotors. RE10 had better feel on the road (better initial bite when cold and no slippery feeling for the first few applications after the car is parked for several weeks), but on track both were equally good. If I were choosing, I'd go with Ferodos but would be ok with RE10 too.
Last edited by MaxLTV; 10-15-2021 at 07:36 PM.
#17
Not sure I would consider Motul 600 an upgrade. At least do 660 or 700..
But why not just go with Castrol React SRF Racing? Much better than any of the Motuls and last for 18 months. I've tested it on the Pista to disc temps of over 760 c using Pagid RSL1 pads with Surface Transfkrms discs. I had ZERO change in pedal feel.
I've tried many fluids, and nothing works as well or lasts as long as SRF.
But why not just go with Castrol React SRF Racing? Much better than any of the Motuls and last for 18 months. I've tested it on the Pista to disc temps of over 760 c using Pagid RSL1 pads with Surface Transfkrms discs. I had ZERO change in pedal feel.
I've tried many fluids, and nothing works as well or lasts as long as SRF.
A separate point on boiling fluid. The way braking system is designed in recent GT cars, it's very hard to boil fluid when using the car correctly. I melted every pad I used (Pagid, Ferodo, Endless, Brembo etc) as in pad disintegrating rapidly from exceeding operating temp, before the fluid boiled. The only times fluid boiled was when I could not do a cool-down lap and parked the car with hot brakes. These rotors are massive and take a while to cool, and they run at hundreds of degrees above fluid boiling temp. It's not a problem when the car is moving at track speeds, but once it's parked, calipers heatsoak from rotors and create air bubbles in the fluid. When you go out next session these bubbles are cold and small, so it may not be noticeable but once they heat up, the pedal goes really soft. So it may seem like the fluid boiled during the session, but it's more likely it happened when the car was parked after the previous session. After investigating this, I made a point of driving for at least 3-4 minutes at without using brakes before parking (many here saw me doing circles in the paddock whenever I got a late checkered flag).
To the OP - if the OEM fluid is less than one year old, it is fine. But never forget a good cooldown lap or even two laps on small tracks.
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DK7 (10-16-2021)
#18
Is it necessary to bleed the OEM fluid after a track day? If not, what intervals are people doing? In my race car I used SRF and would bleed the brakes every 10 hours of track use. Not a full flush but at least change the fluid in the caliper.
#19
I did (on 991.2 though). Ferodo lasted longer and was better on rotors. RE10 had better feel on the road (better initial bite when cold and no slippery feeling for the first few applications after the car is parked for several weeks), but on track both were equally good. If I were choosing, I'd go with Ferodos but would be ok with RE10 too.
#20
I did (on 991.2 though). Ferodo lasted longer and was better on rotors. RE10 had better feel on the road (better initial bite when cold and no slippery feeling for the first few applications after the car is parked for several weeks), but on track both were equally good. If I were choosing, I'd go with Ferodos but would be ok with RE10 too.
#21
I had lots of trouble with PFC, to the point that their pad material was consistently separating from the backing plate. Never going to touch PFC rotors, calipers or pads again - it's junk. One time it was good, but not any more.
#22
The only benefit of SRF is higher wet boiling point. Its dry boiling point is not that high. Wet boiling point is measured at such a high water content level that it would take well over a year or two to get there in a new modern car. So if you are changing brake fluid say once a year, SRF is unlikely to have any meaninful benefit. Also, SRF is rather compressible, which may impact pedal feel, but I'm not sure if it's noticeable in practice.
A separate point on boiling fluid. The way braking system is designed in recent GT cars, it's very hard to boil fluid when using the car correctly. I melted every pad I used (Pagid, Ferodo, Endless, Brembo etc) as in pad disintegrating rapidly from exceeding operating temp, before the fluid boiled. The only times fluid boiled was when I could not do a cool-down lap and parked the car with hot brakes. These rotors are massive and take a while to cool, and they run at hundreds of degrees above fluid boiling temp. It's not a problem when the car is moving at track speeds, but once it's parked, calipers heatsoak from rotors and create air bubbles in the fluid. When you go out next session these bubbles are cold and small, so it may not be noticeable but once they heat up, the pedal goes really soft. So it may seem like the fluid boiled during the session, but it's more likely it happened when the car was parked after the previous session. After investigating this, I made a point of driving for at least 3-4 minutes at without using brakes before parking (many here saw me doing circles in the paddock whenever I got a late checkered flag).
To the OP - if the OEM fluid is less than one year old, it is fine. But never forget a good cooldown lap or even two laps on small tracks.
A separate point on boiling fluid. The way braking system is designed in recent GT cars, it's very hard to boil fluid when using the car correctly. I melted every pad I used (Pagid, Ferodo, Endless, Brembo etc) as in pad disintegrating rapidly from exceeding operating temp, before the fluid boiled. The only times fluid boiled was when I could not do a cool-down lap and parked the car with hot brakes. These rotors are massive and take a while to cool, and they run at hundreds of degrees above fluid boiling temp. It's not a problem when the car is moving at track speeds, but once it's parked, calipers heatsoak from rotors and create air bubbles in the fluid. When you go out next session these bubbles are cold and small, so it may not be noticeable but once they heat up, the pedal goes really soft. So it may seem like the fluid boiled during the session, but it's more likely it happened when the car was parked after the previous session. After investigating this, I made a point of driving for at least 3-4 minutes at without using brakes before parking (many here saw me doing circles in the paddock whenever I got a late checkered flag).
To the OP - if the OEM fluid is less than one year old, it is fine. But never forget a good cooldown lap or even two laps on small tracks.
#23
3.12 is a sprint pad with maximum friction. It's not going to last very long in extreme anger. 1.11 is the enduro pad, less friction, but flatter curve and easier on rotors.
I had lots of trouble with PFC, to the point that their pad material was consistently separating from the backing plate. Never going to touch PFC rotors, calipers or pads again - it's junk. One time it was good, but not any more.
I had lots of trouble with PFC, to the point that their pad material was consistently separating from the backing plate. Never going to touch PFC rotors, calipers or pads again - it's junk. One time it was good, but not any more.
Last edited by MaxLTV; 10-16-2021 at 03:35 PM.
#25
I have found that SRF will be much more stable through sessions. Also, I have found SRF to be much more stable between sessions, i.e boiling while parked. I have also tested RBF for water, and after 2 months, it was "wet". SRF may be a bit more expensive, but I use,a lot less of it. So I see no point in settling for less.
#26