Agreed - they are just part of the marketing cycle.

There's nothing wrong in that, a good business should invest in marketing.

Does, it matter that AP was caught out/called out - I think yes, because it becomes a question of ethics - he may well have seen a blue boat and requested a colour - the apparent reality is they got a VW colour. Is he to blame, no not really - but if you start to claim something else it becomes a question of ethos and ethics. Sharing of a colour is all well and good - but charge the same price per unit area for its use (in VW) and point out its a colour that will be found on multiple products right down to the VW line.

Its pretty simple - when a person buys what they believe is a premium product - they rightly or wrongly generally perceive they are getting something unique, individual etc.

I think by not doing this it gets very close to misleading and deceptive conduct in commerce or industry - AP wouldn't understand this concept as he's not really corporate - but plenty will.

The reality is Porsche and VW have a long history.

ESG matters a lot to modern listed companies - ethics are a big component of that.

 

This thread has certainly exposed the dbags with superiority complexes

 

Its a free market, and judging by the number of Shark Blue cars that have been delivered, the market seems happy to pay what Porsche is charging for it. There are thousands of parts on a car, many of which are shared with other vehicles. A GT3 is a mass produced car, based on another mass produced car (911). It’s not some unique individual bespoke model. If it were, the price would be quadruple what it is.

 

While this is true, he is uniquely qualified to know the ins/outs of trying to push a special edition model line through a big car company and old school German marque mentality.

For folks here to second guess how these decisions and trade offs are made to get a complex product like this to a hugely regulated and changing market and pretended to know how hard that job is - there are always HUGE compromises - is for sure annoying. Some here know how hard that is first hand.

Having said that, i believe it’s 100% fair for forums here to call Porsche brand out for not living up to their hype where that is true.

I believe for example their dealer network here in US is so ill-educated and failing him that a lot of misinfo and angst is caused from “say anything” dealers with sub-par ambassadors who are too distracted to know their products. That *is* the job of a GM/product owner to ensure sales teams don’t embarrass the company, all IMO.

 

Whole bunch of people on rennlist who want GT cars to be something they aren't, or in another class or something. These are - essentially homologation cars. If you don't want that, go feel free to buy something else(as I'm sure many have). Likewise, I find it hard to wager that a McLaren would be near as reliable (or factory warranty upheld) as a Porsche when it's tracked.

I used to want a McLaren, and I still like that brand, but I've learned that I'm much more into something akin to a homologation car/Motorsport than just a bonkers death machine with 800 horsepower. So for me the gt3 is the perfect car. If I buy another fast car, I think a 600LT would be the go to perhaps, but I've changed my taste.

I guess my point is I feel like a bunch of you lost what you love about Porsche, or gt cars and maybe you need to move on... Because Porsche won't miss any of us anyway.

 

Paint debate aside, this thread really is a good reminder that some folks on this forum are wound way too tight.

it’s largely a mass produced car at a company that rather be selling family SUVs. We’re not exactly dealing with Paganis here. The Porsche of 2021 is largely a marketing machine working towards a bottom line.

 

Porsche is turning into a cult, it’s a freaking car(:

 

Porsche must've touched groundhog wrong.

 

I have no dog in this fight, but: the shipbuilder that manufactured AP's inspirational yacht saw has an office somewhere, and somewhere in that office is a bookshelf, and somewhere on that bookshelf is a book of color samples. VW has a copy of that book, too. Nobody in industry just pulls new colors out of their nether regions, they all come from that book.

So it is entirely reasonable for AP to say he saw a given color on a boat and asked the company to match it, and it's entirely possible that the color already existed in VW's lineup.

 

Well, Lamborghini exists because Ferrari p*ssed him off. Lambos are a different flavor, just like a Mustang and Corvette are different flavors, I guess. Personally I don't love the look of Lambos on exterior. Ferraris are legendary, although questionable reliability (?), same goes for McLaren. McLaren's are interesting to me but not sure I'd go there.

Are you talking about supply chain performance with Porsches? Porsche isn't necessarily responsible for all that. Blame the suppliers.

 

C'mon now, don't depress me here on a beautiful Sunday. lmao

 

There is nothing wrong with the reliability of modern day ferrari. They are for the most part bulletproof. Every bit as much as Porsche.

 

I would challenge anyone to prove to me that the shipbuilder didn't actually take the color paint code from an auto manufacturer. Who's to say they didn't ??

 

This is good news. I love the 812 Superfast...in my mind I think of it as the most bulletproof car ever. I hope this is true. I've heard the paint jobs are off a bit in terms of quality compared to other brands though.

 

Mclaren has the best paint jobs and color choices. Ferrari paint is not great. My Pista had to be color corrected for a week to get it to look right. Porsche is on - but not to the level of Mclaren.

Putting paint aside- the build quality and reliability of modern day Ferraris is excellent. This is why you see 458 with 40-50k miles. F12s with 40k miles. Older gen Ferraris sucked cause you had to do an engine out service like every 10 k miles or so. Not the new ones. Bulletproof for the most part.