992 GT3RS
#6241
car is underpowered? read between the lines, "we cannot get more power out and meet emissions standards for the 4.2" , translate this from Andynese into englisch., this actually means, we are going with hybrid assist next time, we aren't gonna spend more Geld for the development of gas motor like you want, now we reduce displacement fanboy. We will be telling you "the GT customers asked for more power and this is the only way we could do it to satisfy them" They will give it some Porsche acronym like PPB =Porsche Power Boost, "Ja, it will automatically kick in or you can press button on wheel marked "overtake" or "boost" or "turbo" (I know not turbo but either is Taycan turbo) this will shut up all the gas motor people and they will blame us for hybrid/KERS rather than blame greens, EPA, US political policy destruction of performance cars, personally I wonder if the the 991 is the GT3RS sweet spot
#6242
This seems pretty definitive from somebody who is in the know. "Asked whether that would mean the end of the normally-aspirated engine, as championed in the soul of the 911 range, the GT3, Walliser is downbeat. "At the moment, we only see a turbo solution. Naturally aspirated, not really,” he laments."
The 992.2 GT3 engine concepts is likely already selected. They have to do a lot of R&D, production, tooling and a ton of testing before it is revealed. I'm on the list for the RS which I really don't want. I only want the last GT3, NA manual. My thinking was to use the RS as a trade in. I also think if I skipped buying the RS, that my loyal and consistent buying pattern would be broken and it would reduce my chances to get the next GT3. If that car is not going to be NA, then I would be pissed to have given up my current 992 GT3 NA manual which already may be the last one. It's a gamble for me.
The 992.2 GT3 engine concepts is likely already selected. They have to do a lot of R&D, production, tooling and a ton of testing before it is revealed. I'm on the list for the RS which I really don't want. I only want the last GT3, NA manual. My thinking was to use the RS as a trade in. I also think if I skipped buying the RS, that my loyal and consistent buying pattern would be broken and it would reduce my chances to get the next GT3. If that car is not going to be NA, then I would be pissed to have given up my current 992 GT3 NA manual which already may be the last one. It's a gamble for me.
#6243
This seems pretty definitive from somebody who is in the know. "Asked whether that would mean the end of the normally-aspirated engine, as championed in the soul of the 911 range, the GT3, Walliser is downbeat. "At the moment, we only see a turbo solution. Naturally aspirated, not really,” he laments."
The 992.2 GT3 engine concepts is likely already selected. They have to do a lot of R&D, production, tooling and a ton of testing before it is revealed. I'm on the list for the RS which I really don't want. I only want the last GT3, NA manual. My thinking was to use the RS as a trade in. I also think if I skipped buying the RS, that my loyal and consistent buying pattern would be broken and it would reduce my chances to get the next GT3. If that car is not going to be NA, then I would be pissed to have given up my current 992 GT3 NA manual which already may be the last one. It's a gamble for me.
The 992.2 GT3 engine concepts is likely already selected. They have to do a lot of R&D, production, tooling and a ton of testing before it is revealed. I'm on the list for the RS which I really don't want. I only want the last GT3, NA manual. My thinking was to use the RS as a trade in. I also think if I skipped buying the RS, that my loyal and consistent buying pattern would be broken and it would reduce my chances to get the next GT3. If that car is not going to be NA, then I would be pissed to have given up my current 992 GT3 NA manual which already may be the last one. It's a gamble for me.
So it’s a bit stale, hopefully.
#6245
ahh, that would be a great way to go, what a bookend, we should all be so lucky. does anyone know how old German people are when they usually retire? at least for me AP is one of the Porsche greats along with Falk Mezger Barth Singer etc etc, let me add, before AP were Porsche GT models in such high demand people would go crazy for them?
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#6246
ahh, that would be a great way to go, what a bookend, we should all be so lucky. does anyone know how old German people are when they usually retire? at least for me AP is one of the Porsche greats along with Falk Mezger Barth Singer etc etc, let me add, before AP were Porsche GT models in such high demand people would go crazy for them?
#6247
How is the 991 the sweet spot? The 992 RS has a slightly better engine and a much better chassis. And the 997 RS had the Mezger, Manual, and Hydraulic steering. I’d say it’s the low point among those 3 generations.
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#6248
The 991.1 RS was a very cool car and it felt very special to drive flat out ... not so much at reasonable speeds, I mean sometimes it felt like it had nothing at the low end. But there was something fun and weird about trying to stay above 6k rpm on public roads whist being somewhere near speed limits. At the time it was often frustrating to drive anywhere but the track, but these are the sort of eccentricities that I sorely miss with newer cars.
The 991.2 RS at the time felt like an overall better car than the .1, you could actually get more out of it outside the track, but for the above reasons as time passes I remember it less fondly than the .1.
The 992.1 GT3 feels to me almost identical in its dynamics to the 991.2 RS, the reason I love it so much in the couple of weeks I've owned it is because it very much feels like a manual 991.2 RS with less aero.
I can't wait to drive the 992.1 3RS ... an NA 911 that's as fast around the ring as a FI GT2RS that has over 160 more HP sounds pretty epic to me.
I don't know where the RS sweet spot is ... although I've never driven one I keep getting told that the 997.2 4.0 was and always will be peak RS, much in the same way that for some people (I am one of them) the Speciale will forever be peak V8 mid engine Ferrari. It all has so much to do with one's perspective in the context of when they came into the brand, what they remember vs the current day and what precise point in time between those two timestamps the car of that day matched their sensibilities. If your first 911 experience was in the 60s then an early 70s RS might always be peak for you, and same goes for all other generations.
In a few years almost everyone of us will be glad to have any one of these NA RS cars parked in our garage enjoyed forever and never to be sold ... when that time comes, they will all be 'peak'.
The 991.2 RS at the time felt like an overall better car than the .1, you could actually get more out of it outside the track, but for the above reasons as time passes I remember it less fondly than the .1.
The 992.1 GT3 feels to me almost identical in its dynamics to the 991.2 RS, the reason I love it so much in the couple of weeks I've owned it is because it very much feels like a manual 991.2 RS with less aero.
I can't wait to drive the 992.1 3RS ... an NA 911 that's as fast around the ring as a FI GT2RS that has over 160 more HP sounds pretty epic to me.
I don't know where the RS sweet spot is ... although I've never driven one I keep getting told that the 997.2 4.0 was and always will be peak RS, much in the same way that for some people (I am one of them) the Speciale will forever be peak V8 mid engine Ferrari. It all has so much to do with one's perspective in the context of when they came into the brand, what they remember vs the current day and what precise point in time between those two timestamps the car of that day matched their sensibilities. If your first 911 experience was in the 60s then an early 70s RS might always be peak for you, and same goes for all other generations.
In a few years almost everyone of us will be glad to have any one of these NA RS cars parked in our garage enjoyed forever and never to be sold ... when that time comes, they will all be 'peak'.
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#6249
I’m having lunch at Pistenklause and it’s full of Manthey shirts.
I’ll go look later at T13 to see what’s up.
There is also a GT4 Spyder going around with the GT4RS motor from the sound of it.
This GT3RS seems to be going ***** to the wall, just now:
I’ll go look later at T13 to see what’s up.
There is also a GT4 Spyder going around with the GT4RS motor from the sound of it.
This GT3RS seems to be going ***** to the wall, just now:
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#6251
Great news! How is the weather today for a record attempt in your view?
#6252
It’s official
https://youtu.be/GqVRqARkh8g
https://youtu.be/GqVRqARkh8g
If this is the final time, I think Porsche will be very disappointed - I note no team photo at the end with AP doing high fives with JB.
The whole vibe seems off - it has been since the initial release.
Last edited by groundhog; 10-13-2022 at 09:03 AM.
#6253
Now we can see the max speed on the back straight. 289 km/hr. or 180mph.
By comparison, the GT3 was at 286 km/hr or 178 mph. I'm surprised the RS was faster.
Here is the interesting part. Look at the video and track map on the two displays below. The RS reached that top speed later on the back stretch. Which means he is coming off the throttle and braking later and probably entered the back straight a little faster too. That's the advantage with the DRS.
By comparison, the GT3 was at 286 km/hr or 178 mph. I'm surprised the RS was faster.
Here is the interesting part. Look at the video and track map on the two displays below. The RS reached that top speed later on the back stretch. Which means he is coming off the throttle and braking later and probably entered the back straight a little faster too. That's the advantage with the DRS.
Last edited by subshooter; 10-13-2022 at 09:04 AM.
#6255
It’s official
https://youtu.be/GqVRqARkh8g
https://youtu.be/GqVRqARkh8g
Last edited by Ull; 10-13-2022 at 09:25 AM.