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Old 04-17-2017, 01:31 PM
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Post C2S vs C4S - RWD vs AWD differences video

An often asked question is 2 or 4? There are many small differences which I try to cover in this video.

Hope it is helpful to some of you.

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Thanks Nick, here is a suggestion: When residing in New England, get the 3.8 turbo (S) and you'll have fun the whole year around
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Thanks Nick, here is a suggestion: When residing in New England, get the 3.8 turbo (S) and you'll have fun the whole year around
I think his point is that he wants to be able to steer the car with the rear wheels, something AWD doesn't allow for. I don't think a Turbo S will help that as the power will shift to the front wheels as soon as the rears start losing traction.

Almost all the cars delivered in my Canadian city are C4S models (or Turbo). I got a C4 as I plan to drive at least part way through the winter months and budget didn't allow for a C4S model (this time).
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There is a video out there demonstrating performance and traction differences in 2 vs 4 that is fantastic - although makes the 2wd seem worthless ha!
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I have no problem torque steering my .1GTS so perhaps the .2 awd system is a little more intrusive. But I can feel the front drive trying to reign it back in, giving that twisting effect. I call it the Godfather III effect... Just when I thought I was out...
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Nick, if you want to get your 4S sideways, just engage PSM Sport and enjoy.
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Originally Posted by kayjh
I think his point is that he wants to be able to steer the car with the rear wheels, something AWD doesn't allow for. I don't think a Turbo S will help that as the power will shift to the front wheels as soon as the rears start losing traction.

Almost all the cars delivered in my Canadian city are C4S models (or Turbo). I got a C4 as I plan to drive at least part way through the winter months and budget didn't allow for a C4S model (this time).
You can drift the 991 turbo s, despite it being AWD. Watch some of the Chris Harris videos on the 991 turbo on YouTube and you'll see.
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Originally Posted by Dennis C
You can drift the 991 turbo s, despite it being AWD. Watch some of the Chris Harris videos on the 991 turbo on YouTube and you'll see.
According to BlackBeauty above, you don't need a Turbo AWD to get sideways, you can so it with the C4S with PSM in sport
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Awesome!
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Nice video!

I tend to disagree with the ongoing 4WD vs. 2WD debate though. Yes RWD can be more fun (did that at some point, got shaft removed on my previous C4S) but I don't think 4WD cars are more safe or more boring. They need to be handled differently if fun or speed is sought after. That's it

A RWD will lose traction if the driving style is too aggressive, while a 4WD is more permissive in that sense and will on the opposite perform at its best with a 10% drift... simply watch videos of car racing where 4WD are still allowed, and watch the different behavior in curves. You can tell which are RWD vs. 4WD.


Nick, that monkey is evil.
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Originally Posted by nmurray22
An often asked question is 2 or 4? There are many small differences which I try to cover in this video.

Hope it is helpful to some of you.

Nick



https://youtu.be/7ln9tqU5Df0
Perspective...

It seems, at least from a handling and driving perspective, Porsche engineers prefer 2WD on their most competitive cars.

GT3 - not 4WD
GT3RS - not 4WD
911R - not 4WD
918 S - not 4WD

So why then (excluding the weather factor) would it follow that a C4 is more desirable than the C2?

Good video.
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I agree with the different driving styles being necessary for fun to be had...



...and then I'll also say, as someone who tracked a completely gutted 996 turbo and club raced it, the 2wd variants were always more fun (granted I did enjoy club racing the turbo and pissing off GT3 Jstock(at the time) drivers.
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It's all about dat a**
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Originally Posted by 911 Day
Perspective...

It seems, at least from a handling and driving perspective, Porsche engineers prefer 2WD on their most competitive cars.

GT3 - not 4WD
GT3RS - not 4WD
911R - not 4WD
918 S - not 4WD

So why then (excluding the weather factor) would it follow that a C4 is more desirable than the C2?

Good video.
As you said, the above cars are track cars. So, they aren't concerned with off the line traction or traction issues while exiting corners as they round a race track. I think the street is a different proposition. You missed the point that the Turbo and Turbo S cars are AWD. AWD helps those cars make use of the power from a standing start. Street cars are also subject to driving conditions a track car will never see; snow, rain, ice, etc.

I bought a C4 to take advantage of the most number of driving days in a year. I'm not so much concerned about being able to round a corner, hit the gas and oversteer around the turn. I doubt many daily drivers here do that anyway. As someone has posted, you can oversteer the car under power in the PSM Sport mode.

Having said that, I have no doubt the C2 is more playful, but for many drivers, AWD makes the car more usable, especially in the the northern states and Canada
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Thanks Nick. My C2 was delivered in November so looking forward to some spring/summer driving!


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