Thoughts on moving into a 991.2...
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That 993 is gorgeous! But as a DD and/or a frequent GT/sports car then the new 991.2 is all that and more! Hey I'm a fan of classic aircooled Pcars but they do have their limitations & nuances... after all it's technology from at least two decades ago. If it's feasible... pairing up a newer 991 to a classic 993 is a win-win combo in my book. Good luck!
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Since you already have two Porsches and you are a Porsche fanatic, I would never let go of the 993....if just to go out in the garage and look at it and have the bragging rights. I think the car combo that you are considering: 718 Spyder, 993 and a Tercel just work.
Opinions all over the map on this thread.....you will have to make it. Win/win so no worries.
Opinions all over the map on this thread.....you will have to make it. Win/win so no worries.
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Here's the link: https://porschelangley.com/inventory...tallic+1011496
Stunning colour combo in person. Beautiful
10-4 and thanks. As you can see by my signature I did own a d gen-1 Spyder and LOVED it BUT it was not a DD. I had to thin the herd a bit and chose to let it go in favour of the Cayman, which is an excellent DD.
I do agree with you there!
Crazy good time for US folks to buy Canadian.
I think that may the plan in the end. The newer 981 Spyder is a better DD and the 718 Spyder? Who knows but I can only imagine it will be even better.
And this... I have to agree with. I love the C2S and we started out strong in the relationship and then electrical gremlins started to show up and many times it wouldn't start. This made the use of it more of an "event" rather than just a hop into it for a good romp. An alternator and voltage regulator later and a clean up of the idling valve and a battery tender it runs like a champ. But I totally agree that they need time and patience which I am short of at the moment.
Most likely not. And I don't really look at the 993 so much like that either. They made a bunch of them but it is the last of the air-cooled and it has that "drama" when you drive it.
Again, all opinions welcome! As I mentioned I am in a pretty good position. And when the sun comes out and we get those long warm summer days I may be looking for the bolt cutter to take the top off the Cayman.
It's going to be interesting to watch isn't it. Certainly the prices have leveled off BUT there's still a few baby-boomers left with the some years to enjoy them so I think the prices will make another jump this year. Just my 2 cents CND.
That's the owner before me that sent me the pic. He photo-shopped himself out but it's such a beautiful shot I thought I'd use it.
And that my friend is the other side of the argument. Even my 14 base Cayman is LIGHT YEARS ahead of the 993. It's remarkable to think that Porsche was manufacturing the last of the 993 C2S's in the factory at the same time new 996's were coming off the line. The 996 was miles ahead of the 993 so I can only imagine what the 991.2's are like.
A question to all of you is this - does the 991.2, despite all the turbos, PASM, RAS etc.., still retain enough of the DNA and drama of the 991 legacy to be an engaging drive?
^^^ What's "not to like" is giving up a 993 C2freakin'S for it. In a beautiful and unusual color.
As a man with a GT Silver-over-black/garnet red 991, I say no way.
Here's why; I'd understand if you said "The C2S is not a good DD anymore, and besides I need to preserve it -- they're not making anymore. So it sits in my garage under a cover and I drive a Toyota Tercel every day." You could convince me with that argument.
But you have a great DD in the Cayman. So you can enjoy the C2S exactly when and how you want, and still enjoy a Cayman the rest of the time.
If I were to make a change to that formula, it would be to trade the 14 Cayman on a 13 Cayman S plus a little scratch, or a Cayman S with higher miles, or something like that if you didn't want to put any cash into your fleet. Or, go backwards to a 987 Cayman R or Boxster Spyder.
Scratch that -- Spyder is NOT a good DD.
Anyway, I'm against the plan.
As a man with a GT Silver-over-black/garnet red 991, I say no way.
Here's why; I'd understand if you said "The C2S is not a good DD anymore, and besides I need to preserve it -- they're not making anymore. So it sits in my garage under a cover and I drive a Toyota Tercel every day." You could convince me with that argument.
But you have a great DD in the Cayman. So you can enjoy the C2S exactly when and how you want, and still enjoy a Cayman the rest of the time.
If I were to make a change to that formula, it would be to trade the 14 Cayman on a 13 Cayman S plus a little scratch, or a Cayman S with higher miles, or something like that if you didn't want to put any cash into your fleet. Or, go backwards to a 987 Cayman R or Boxster Spyder.
Scratch that -- Spyder is NOT a good DD.
Anyway, I'm against the plan.
I guess it depends on your outlook - I don't see cars as particularly good investments and much prefer to drive them lots and hard too. I do appreciate "older" cars, but from a distance. In reality they are a PITA to own unless you have plenty of time and patience to deal with them.
Thus, I am in the camp of get the 991.2 C2S - its a total bast to drive and the apparent spec of the car above right down to the de-badging is near perfect. Good luck with what ever you may decide, ultimately there is no right or wrong choice - just the best that suits your needs and outlook
Thus, I am in the camp of get the 991.2 C2S - its a total bast to drive and the apparent spec of the car above right down to the de-badging is near perfect. Good luck with what ever you may decide, ultimately there is no right or wrong choice - just the best that suits your needs and outlook
And that my friend is the other side of the argument. Even my 14 base Cayman is LIGHT YEARS ahead of the 993. It's remarkable to think that Porsche was manufacturing the last of the 993 C2S's in the factory at the same time new 996's were coming off the line. The 996 was miles ahead of the 993 so I can only imagine what the 991.2's are like.
A question to all of you is this - does the 991.2, despite all the turbos, PASM, RAS etc.., still retain enough of the DNA and drama of the 991 legacy to be an engaging drive?
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Here's the link: https://porschelangley.com/inventory...tallic+1011496
A question to all of you is this - does the 991.2, despite all the turbos, PASM, RAS etc.., still retain enough of the DNA and drama of the 991 legacy to be an engaging drive?
A question to all of you is this - does the 991.2, despite all the turbos, PASM, RAS etc.., still retain enough of the DNA and drama of the 991 legacy to be an engaging drive?
I've test driven the older cars and while they were more "raw", at my older age, I'll take a bit more comfort in a daily driver in the form of a 991.2 over the earlier cars, as beautiful and pure as they are.
But if the dealer will let you, take one out over night and see what you think for yourself.
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Please be aware that moving to a 911 isn't easy, lots of compromises !
I have yet to find if there is a bathroom in mine. I had to pee so bad I had to use a empty bottle of Gatorade. I felt like a contortionist.
I have yet to find if there is a bathroom in mine. I had to pee so bad I had to use a empty bottle of Gatorade. I felt like a contortionist.
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I have a similar (but quite different) dilemma. Currently have a '14 Cayman S and a '93 3rd gen RX-7 which I've had since new. Although certainly not of the stature of your 993, the RX-7 is somewhat iconic in the JDM world at this point. I've also been considering a 991.2, but what to do with the current stable? I could sell the RX-7and keep the Cayman, sell the Cayman and keep the RX-7, or sell both and get down to 3 cars that'll fit in the garage w/o having to store the RX-7 for the winter.
But then I drive the Cayman and think, damn, this car is good! And the RX-7 is just like a piece of art to me, I think I'd really regret letting it go after 24 years. This car guy stuff is really tough sometimes
BTW, I love the Tercel reference! Gotta be of a certain age to remember that one!
But then I drive the Cayman and think, damn, this car is good! And the RX-7 is just like a piece of art to me, I think I'd really regret letting it go after 24 years. This car guy stuff is really tough sometimes
BTW, I love the Tercel reference! Gotta be of a certain age to remember that one!
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I've never understood 'collecting' cars. They were meant to be driven, thats why they have an engine and 4 wheels. While the 993 was fantastic.. nostalgia only goes so far. Even less when we are talking about a daily driver that should rack up 1000's of miles every year. I'd say get the 991.2 simply because your much more likely to drive the car and enjoy the latest improvements than you would the combination of two vehicles you already have. Not to mention.. what is life without trying something new. About the only thing that is ever guaranteed in life.. is that tomorrow will always be different than today.
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Having seen the specs of the 991.2 C2S, if the price is right for you, get it.
No brainer.
No brainer.
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I've never understood 'collecting' cars. They were meant to be driven, thats why they have an engine and 4 wheels. While the 993 was fantastic.. nostalgia only goes so far. Even less when we are talking about a daily driver that should rack up 1000's of miles every year.
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I've never understood 'collecting' cars. They were meant to be driven, thats why they have an engine and 4 wheels. While the 993 was fantastic.. nostalgia only goes so far. Even less when we are talking about a daily driver that should rack up 1000's of miles every year. I'd say get the 991.2 simply because your much more likely to drive the car and enjoy the latest improvements than you would the combination of two vehicles you already have. Not to mention.. what is life without trying something new. About the only thing that is ever guaranteed in life.. is that tomorrow will always be different than today.
a) He doesn't just let the 993C2S sit and molder in the garage.
b) He already has a pretty good DD base Cayman
c) He has a much faster 718 Spider incoming.
It seems to me that a 993C2S and 718 Spider make a much more compelling driving argument than a 991.2, which is itself only marginally better than a 718 and much more like the Boxster than the 993 is.
So a search for real variety would be to own a Spider and an older 911.
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In theory it is compelling to keep the 993 but in practice I would probably not drive it very often after I had a 991. I had a 993 which I sold prior to buying my current car. The driving experience is still similar being a rear engined car but much more refined with better creature comforts. The 991 is so enjoyable to drive that the 993 would just stayed parked most of he time.
Do I miss the 993? Yes, but not that much to get another one even as a second sports car. 993 C2's and C2S's are not that rare or unique to justify the time and expense it takes to maintain them properly. If I were to get an air cooler, I would rather get a long hood. Then, I could justify the added time and effort.
Good luck!
Do I miss the 993? Yes, but not that much to get another one even as a second sports car. 993 C2's and C2S's are not that rare or unique to justify the time and expense it takes to maintain them properly. If I were to get an air cooler, I would rather get a long hood. Then, I could justify the added time and effort.
Good luck!