2015/16 991 GTS
12-21-2016, 05:37 AM
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2015/16 991 GTS
I have been looking into purchasing one but it would seem the asking prices for these car is very strong vs MSRP- also does manual have more value due to rarity or is that a myth.
12-21-2016, 06:29 AM
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20% over msrp
local dealer has new 2016 gt3 rs for 250k (40k over msrp)
do these continue to appreciate?
do these continue to appreciate?
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12-21-2016, 08:18 AM
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12-21-2016, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rx7owner
local dealer has new 2016 gts r3 for 250k (40k over msrp)
do these continue to appreciate?
do these continue to appreciate?
12-21-2016, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by rmauro
I have been looking into purchasing one but it would seem the asking prices for these car is very strong vs MSRP- also does manual have more value due to rarity or is that a myth.
12-21-2016, 10:48 AM
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991.1 GTSs are desirable trim and performance options rolled up into a great shape (wide hip) to make an exceptional 911. I think that future values for manual vs PDK is a discussion point for Internet forums with no bearing on current prices. Everyone has a different hypotheses on long term price impact. My guess based on current 997 prices and how good all 911s have become is that condition and options will have more impact than tranny type or model designation.
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12-21-2016, 06:32 PM
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12-21-2016, 06:34 PM
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Amongst water pumpers, Tiptronics have a very bad impact on prices of 996s and 997s in the secondary market. For a 996TT today, a 25,000 mile 6-speed X50 car will bring 55-ish, while the same car with a Tip will get 45-47k.
But... there is a huge difference in performance and perception of PDK vs. Tip. For instance, that doesn't seem to be the way the 997.2 Turbo market is shaping up; PDKs are at least holding their own pricewise with manuals, if anything carrying slightly higher prices, and the demand seems higher from what I'm reading and talking to people who sell them. But of course, in the grand scheme of things there are just too few sales of otherwise equivalent cars in the same locale to draw any reasonable conclusions except there doesn't seem to be any real penalty for having either a PDK or a 6M in that market at least.
Plus, to be fair, any car with a PDK is new enough to still be considered a very-late-model Porsche that can and usually is used as a DD or at least semi-DD. As the 997.2s and 991s get old enough that, like 993s and earlier they are almost exclusively used as fun occasional cars, it could go either way:
a) most people could wind up wanting a 7M because it's just a fun car and it's always fun to work a clutched manual, or
b) the buying pool of potential buyers who actually prefer and know how to drive a manual could shrink far enough that the prices actually struggle vs. a PDK.
Who knows?
But... there is a huge difference in performance and perception of PDK vs. Tip. For instance, that doesn't seem to be the way the 997.2 Turbo market is shaping up; PDKs are at least holding their own pricewise with manuals, if anything carrying slightly higher prices, and the demand seems higher from what I'm reading and talking to people who sell them. But of course, in the grand scheme of things there are just too few sales of otherwise equivalent cars in the same locale to draw any reasonable conclusions except there doesn't seem to be any real penalty for having either a PDK or a 6M in that market at least.
Plus, to be fair, any car with a PDK is new enough to still be considered a very-late-model Porsche that can and usually is used as a DD or at least semi-DD. As the 997.2s and 991s get old enough that, like 993s and earlier they are almost exclusively used as fun occasional cars, it could go either way:
a) most people could wind up wanting a 7M because it's just a fun car and it's always fun to work a clutched manual, or
b) the buying pool of potential buyers who actually prefer and know how to drive a manual could shrink far enough that the prices actually struggle vs. a PDK.
Who knows?
12-21-2016, 11:12 PM
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Interestingly there seems to be pretty good demand for both PDk and manual in the gts. However on the 50th anniversary cars, manuals seem to move way faster. Pdks sit around.
12-21-2016, 11:36 PM
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Resale price with a 7MT may be higher than a PDK model, but the 7MT will be more difficult to sell than the PDK.
12-22-2016, 01:20 AM
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12-22-2016, 02:03 AM
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When Tip was introduced, it still operated like a slow shifting, semi-responsive automatic transmission, so for an "enthusiast" the MT was better than Tip in terms of truly controlling the car. New gen PDK is a vastly superior technology to MT, so those wanting top performance, the PDK has surpassed the "proper manual", and therefore there is no performance compromise to factor into resale. A MT is still awesome, nostalgic, engaging and more rare than PDK, so will always be coveted as any other rare thing. Prices in the resale market are reflecting this accordingly.