991.2 Ring lap
09-11-2016, 04:44 PM
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addendum: look at the Macan's 3.0l V6tt it goes from 340 in the 'S' to 440 in the tt/w performance pkg ... I think we could expect a reasonably similar range for the 911's 3.0l F6 tt ... which would suggest 470bhp max, but I think they will cap the powerkit in order to leave a gap so as not to embarass the next GT3.2 so I'd predict 440-450 max
The same in 911-land? Turbo and TurboS gets a bigger motor and the S and non-S get a smaller motor. If the 911 pattern was isomorphic to the Macan, the non-S would have a smaller motor than the S; a non-S 911 would have the F4 from the 781?
Whatever, ...
I agree with the conclusion: GTS gets the 3 F6 and +20 hp. One question is if the torque curve gets a boost over the whole range (think overboost from Turbo w/SC) or just another couple-of-hundred rpm hold before the drop as is the case with .1->.2 Turbo.
09-11-2016, 06:36 PM
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Crap...
Note that the Macan 3.0 use stops at the GTS. The Turbo and don't-call-it-the-TurboS-for-reasons-we-don't-know uses a 3.6.
The same in 911-land? Turbo and TurboS gets a bigger motor and the S and non-S get a smaller motor. If the 911 pattern was isomorphic to the Macan, the non-S would have a smaller motor than the S; a non-S 911 would have the F4 from the 781?
Whatever, ...
I agree with the conclusion: GTS gets the 3 F6 and +20 hp. One question is if the torque curve gets a boost over the whole range (think overboost from Turbo w/SC) or just another couple-of-hundred rpm hold before the drop as is the case with .1->.2 Turbo.
The same in 911-land? Turbo and TurboS gets a bigger motor and the S and non-S get a smaller motor. If the 911 pattern was isomorphic to the Macan, the non-S would have a smaller motor than the S; a non-S 911 would have the F4 from the 781?
Whatever, ...
I agree with the conclusion: GTS gets the 3 F6 and +20 hp. One question is if the torque curve gets a boost over the whole range (think overboost from Turbo w/SC) or just another couple-of-hundred rpm hold before the drop as is the case with .1->.2 Turbo.
09-12-2016, 12:55 AM
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Agreed. Over 7 plus minutes is within quite a few margins. Tires, temps, weight and mostly driver to name a few.
09-12-2016, 07:11 PM
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It's been reported that the next GT3 (with PDK option) with 4.0L NA motor and nearly 500hp will be as fast or faster than the current RS (7:20). So, I don't think a 450hp GTS will be THAT fast...
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09-12-2016, 08:15 PM
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my point though was (regarding the performance of a .2 GTS) was not relative to the "next" GT3, it was relative to the current GT3, and hence would place
pressure on the "next" GT3's performance increment...
09-12-2016, 09:49 PM
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I'd be very surprised if that was the case, given the current RS'es aero and suspension vs that of a (future) GT3... I guess we will have to wait and see!
my point though was (regarding the performance of a .2 GTS) was not relative to the "next" GT3, it was relative to the current GT3, and hence would place
pressure on the "next" GT3's performance increment...
my point though was (regarding the performance of a .2 GTS) was not relative to the "next" GT3, it was relative to the current GT3, and hence would place
pressure on the "next" GT3's performance increment...
I was surprised to hear that 991.2 GT3 will be as fast as 991.1 RS, but comes from reliable sources (attributed to suspension and tire improvements mostly).
And it I'll be faster than RS in a straight line, due to less drag.
09-13-2016, 12:08 PM
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Larry, one place where the 991.2 GTS will surely be faster than a GT3 is where I live (high altitude in Denver). Turbos enjoy a huge power and torque advantage when the air gets thin. Here we drive from 5,000 ft (in Denver) to the highest paved road in N. America just a short drive to the West (14,300 ft). There an NA motor loses about half its power and torque, while a properly tuned turbo fares MUCH better.
The local track at 5,000 ft would surely favor the GTS as well (GT3 losing around 75hp, while a turbo loses almost nothing but experiences worse lag than at sea level)...
Even so, I'm a sucker for the sharp throttle response of a high-revving NA motor. It's slower but more satisfying to me.
The local track at 5,000 ft would surely favor the GTS as well (GT3 losing around 75hp, while a turbo loses almost nothing but experiences worse lag than at sea level)...
Even so, I'm a sucker for the sharp throttle response of a high-revving NA motor. It's slower but more satisfying to me.
09-13-2016, 06:10 PM
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Larry, one place where the 991.2 GTS will surely be faster than a GT3 is where I live (high altitude in Denver). Turbos enjoy a huge power and torque advantage when the air gets thin. Here we drive from 5,000 ft (in Denver) to the highest paved road in N. America just a short drive to the West (14,300 ft). There an NA motor loses about half its power and torque, while a properly tuned turbo fares MUCH better.
The local track at 5,000 ft would surely favor the GTS as well (GT3 losing around 75hp, while a turbo loses almost nothing but experiences worse lag than at sea level)...
Even so, I'm a sucker for the sharp throttle response of a high-revving NA motor. It's slower but more satisfying to me.
The local track at 5,000 ft would surely favor the GTS as well (GT3 losing around 75hp, while a turbo loses almost nothing but experiences worse lag than at sea level)...
Even so, I'm a sucker for the sharp throttle response of a high-revving NA motor. It's slower but more satisfying to me.
09-13-2016, 06:11 PM
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Oh, well current GT3 is 7:25 so still a stretch. But GTS will certainly be very fast (additional torque probably a bigger benefit in acceleration and flexibility than outright Ring laptimes).
I was surprised to hear that 991.2 GT3 will be as fast as 991.1 RS, but comes from reliable sources (attributed to suspension and tire improvements mostly).
And it I'll be faster than RS in a straight line, due to less drag.
I was surprised to hear that 991.2 GT3 will be as fast as 991.1 RS, but comes from reliable sources (attributed to suspension and tire improvements mostly).
And it I'll be faster than RS in a straight line, due to less drag.
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09-13-2016, 07:56 PM
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