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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 12:38 PM
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Hello Guys,

New to Porsche and new member here. Always wanted to get into the porsche family, but their high price and the maintenance costs kept me out of it. Drove different BMW's over time and am finally in a position to afford an M3. Was about to pull the trigger on it a while ago when the thought occurred to me to may be check some decently spec'd used 991.1 Carrera S models for that price. And so I started looking, which landed me on to a listing from one of the dealers for a 2014 Carrera S in guards red with 15k miles on it. It has all the below on it

PDK
18 way sport seats plus
bose
premium pkg
sport chrono
sport exhaust
pasm
spacers
painted black wheels
led headlights pdls+
sport steering
park assist

This is exactly how I would want my car to be including the color, but the only and big problem is that it is a demo car. I understand that it might be ok if the car has around 2-3k miles on it and being a demo. But 15k demo miles is a lot of abuse on any car. They've made it a CPO and posted it for sale for around 86k.

As I am completely new to Porsche and to 911's, please help me out in deciding about this. Should I even consider this car or is it too much abuse? Does the CPO save me from all of that? If I can consider, what kind of questions do I need to ask? It will be greatly helpful

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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 01:19 PM
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Nice spec, but I personally wouldn't touch it. Get a car that's been thoroughly loved.
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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 01:42 PM
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Welcome, not having details on CarFax and MSRP, hard to give the most accurate answer.

15K "demo" would make me nervous.
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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 01:48 PM
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You did not mention if it is PDK or manual. If it is manual, then I would want a DME report.

With a CPO, I would not hesitate.
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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by STG
Welcome, not having details on CarFax and MSRP, hard to give the most accurate answer.

15K "demo" would make me nervous.

Here is the Carfax. It looks clean. This vehicle has not been titled yet. They did not advertise the msrp, but I am guessing it could be in the 130's. I do not want to contact the dealer just yet before preparing myself on what to ask for.

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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy911S
You did not mention if it is PDK or manual. If it is manual, then I would want a DME report.

With a CPO, I would not hesitate.
It is a PDK
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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TorqueChap
Nice spec, but I personally wouldn't touch it. Get a car that's been thoroughly loved.
Originally Posted by STG
15K "demo" would make me nervous.

Yes, that is a lot of abuse. But this is the perfect color/spec I wanted. Finding it hard to pass on Does it being a CPO help me?
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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bmw2porsche
Here is the Carfax. It looks clean. This vehicle has not been titled yet. They did not advertise the msrp, but I am guessing it could be in the 130's. I do not want to contact the dealer just yet before preparing myself on what to ask for.
Somehow I had a feeling I knew where it was listed. I follow that dealers inventory. I'd look at another dealer. A lot of their used cars are Porsche driving school cars, PCNA rep company cars, etc ..... With 15K mileage, I don't think it's a drivers school car. Those usually are around the 5K mark. Most likely a PCNA employee car.

$124K build

https://admin.porschedealer.com/repo...AB2A98ES122916
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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 02:27 PM
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Interesting
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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bmw2porsche
Yes, that is a lot of abuse. But this is the perfect color/spec I wanted. Finding it hard to pass on Does it being a CPO help me?
CPO will extend the warranty and if you trade it before this expires you are protected from any major expense.

Based on the info you have provided, I would not hesitate.
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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bmw2porsche
Yes, that is a lot of abuse. But this is the perfect color/spec I wanted. Finding it hard to pass on Does it being a CPO help me?
Go check it out in person. If you like it, you make the call. You asked >> we give opinions.

CPO is good for an extra 2yrs warranty. If you don't keep cars past the warranty, you have nothing to worry about. You're covered.
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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by STG
Go check it out in person. If you like it, you make the call. You asked >> we give opinions.

CPO is good for an extra 2yrs warranty. If you don't keep cars past the warranty, you have nothing to worry about. You're covered.
Yup. CPO will give me 4 years if I get it now. I might also have to consider the issues I will face when I try to get rid of it after those 4 years, like it being just out of warranty and a demo car.

When I put the car with its options and model year in KBB, it is showing a CPO Dealer value of around 87-89k. But that is for a normal car (not a demo). Dealer advertised it at 85.5k. I am assuming this should be at (or I shuold ask for) a bigger discount than that. How much leeway do you think that I have here?
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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bmw2porsche
Yup. CPO will give me 4 years if I get it now. I might also have to consider the issues I will face when I try to get rid of it after those 4 years, like it being just out of warranty and a demo car.

When I put the car with its options and model year in KBB, it is showing a CPO Dealer value of around 87-89k. But that is for a normal car (not a demo). Dealer advertised it at 85.5k. I am assuming this should be at (or I shuold ask for) a bigger discount than that. How much leeway do you think that I have here?
I don't think those guys will deal much. Offer $3K off
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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 03:35 PM
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Porsche's are tough cars. Look at the brakes, tires, service history, and give it a good drive. Go ask the head of service at the dealership for his honest opinion. In the past my SA at my dealership has been very honest about which used cars to stay away from. It nothing feels wrong then it's probably fine. A 2 year old car that has seen a dozen track days could easily be way more abused than this demo. Plus it's CPO.

I'll also add that prior to my 991.1 C4S I bought a 2014 981 Cayman S demo which had about 2200 miles on it. Car was fantastic and never had any problems. My dealership bought it back from me on the trade in for the C4S and gave me a very fair amount.

Buy it.
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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 09:31 PM
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Even if it's a CPO, My suggestion is to get a PPI.
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