991 GTS -OR- 997.1 GT3
#1
991 GTS -OR- 997.1 GT3
Hey guys, been lurking around RL for years now and the time has come to get into my first P-Car. Im coming from an E92 M3 6 speed. Im a sucker for the 3rd pedal and its a must for me. So I've narrowed it down to these...
2015/16 911 991 Carrera GTS (7 speed)
VS.
997.1 GT3
I have a feeling it will be used as a DD more often than not, but i still will have a 2nd car to keep the miles low. Track days here and there (maybe 1-2 a year)...And im not afraid of the "raw-ness" of the GT3 as i prefer a more intuitive/driver focused car.
I believe the 997.1 GT3 will always have a certain value to it, and you can conclude the GTS will continue to depreciate to an extent, although it is basically the last N/A manual car from Porsche (minus the 911R) so something has to be said about its potential value in years to come...
The price points are somewhat similar between the 2, and i know i won't be getting a warranty with the 997...so my question is...What would you guys choose and why? Im torn...
2015/16 911 991 Carrera GTS (7 speed)
VS.
997.1 GT3
I have a feeling it will be used as a DD more often than not, but i still will have a 2nd car to keep the miles low. Track days here and there (maybe 1-2 a year)...And im not afraid of the "raw-ness" of the GT3 as i prefer a more intuitive/driver focused car.
I believe the 997.1 GT3 will always have a certain value to it, and you can conclude the GTS will continue to depreciate to an extent, although it is basically the last N/A manual car from Porsche (minus the 911R) so something has to be said about its potential value in years to come...
The price points are somewhat similar between the 2, and i know i won't be getting a warranty with the 997...so my question is...What would you guys choose and why? Im torn...
#2
Well, I think everybody on this board who has a GTS (many of us) chose a 991 GTS because it suited our mission better than either a 997 GT3 or 991 GT3. I could have bought a close friend's GR 991 GT3 with 1700 miles for about $4,000 more than my GTS once all taxes and fees were considered; in other words, they were the same price. So even considering an essentially new '14 GT3 vs a new 15 GTS, I chose GTS. Like you, I'm a 2-ish times a year track user these days. A dozen years ago it would have been the GT3 for sure. But now, the things the 3 brings are outweighed for me by the things it takes away.
You say that doesn't matter to you. If so, then you'd be crazy not to buy the 997 GT3 that you've found for 991GTS money. It could need a motor when you buy it and you'd still be ahead of the GTS after you drive it off the lot -- expect a "motor's worth" of depreciation Day 1, and plenty more after that, but at a decaying rate of course.
I wanted to get exactly what I wanted, not what was the best financial decision -- one of the perks of getting to a certain place in life where your indulgences don't have to make financial sense. So GTS was the best choice for me. I don't want to be choosing NOT to drive the 911 certain days because it's too harsh, which I know I would do. And I certainly don't want to own so many cars that I have a special 911 for just track days or mountain days or weekend days or whatever. Many others think that's just grand and indulge that passion liberally.
But back to you: if you truly wouldn't ever wish you had a more civilized version of your 911, then yeah, the GT3 is done depreciating, or close to it.
You say that doesn't matter to you. If so, then you'd be crazy not to buy the 997 GT3 that you've found for 991GTS money. It could need a motor when you buy it and you'd still be ahead of the GTS after you drive it off the lot -- expect a "motor's worth" of depreciation Day 1, and plenty more after that, but at a decaying rate of course.
I wanted to get exactly what I wanted, not what was the best financial decision -- one of the perks of getting to a certain place in life where your indulgences don't have to make financial sense. So GTS was the best choice for me. I don't want to be choosing NOT to drive the 911 certain days because it's too harsh, which I know I would do. And I certainly don't want to own so many cars that I have a special 911 for just track days or mountain days or weekend days or whatever. Many others think that's just grand and indulge that passion liberally.
But back to you: if you truly wouldn't ever wish you had a more civilized version of your 911, then yeah, the GT3 is done depreciating, or close to it.
#3
Different cars completely and either would be awesome!
If not for the spousal unit then I would have gone GT3 but for roadtrips and date nights... I just know she wouldn't ride in it whearas the 991 has the creature comforts and muted interior noise for when I just need an appliance.
If not for the spousal unit then I would have gone GT3 but for roadtrips and date nights... I just know she wouldn't ride in it whearas the 991 has the creature comforts and muted interior noise for when I just need an appliance.
#5
GT3 is a track car. Don't get one unless you have another 911 for the street. For me, the GT3 is not a DD. Like using a thoroughbred for pony rides.
I just stepped out of an '07 GT3 and into a '14 991 C4S cabriolet. The 991 is so much better on the street. Even if a could afford to keep both cars, I would still get rid of the GT3. If you have to have a Mezger, the 997.1 turbo is a better choice for me.
I haven't driven a 991 GTS so I can't comment on it. It gets great reviews. The price difference between an S and GTS is significant but certainly worth it to some.
I just stepped out of an '07 GT3 and into a '14 991 C4S cabriolet. The 991 is so much better on the street. Even if a could afford to keep both cars, I would still get rid of the GT3. If you have to have a Mezger, the 997.1 turbo is a better choice for me.
I haven't driven a 991 GTS so I can't comment on it. It gets great reviews. The price difference between an S and GTS is significant but certainly worth it to some.
#7
While I don't have a 997 GT3, I have a 991 (had a .1 until a couple of weeks ago,and now have a .2) and a 997.2 C4S. The 991 is much more comfortable and user friendly as a daily driver. It's plenty fast and handles like a 911. I'd go with a GTS.
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#8
Having driven both, the only advantage 997 GT3 presents is the steering feel, 991 GTS is better in every other sense IMO. Engines are equally good.
I had the same dilemma and went GTS, newer, nicer interior, more practical and really as much fun 99% of the time
I had the same dilemma and went GTS, newer, nicer interior, more practical and really as much fun 99% of the time
#9
I own a 997.1 GT3. I even had a 997.2 GT3 and sold it so I can replace it with the 997.1 after a test drive. The GTS is a DD car, luxurious, comfortable, and plenty of usable power. The GT3 is not so simple. The Mezger is possibly the best engine Porsche has produced for road going cars (hell the RSR runs it right now). You have to keep the revs at 3800 or above, or else you risk damage. The car has traction control, but it doesn't - it won't catch you if you make a mistake. It is very twitchy and very easily out of hand if you flinch. It is really a brilliant sports car, but you have to be comfortable with uncertainties and have fast reflexes to save yourself. I would not opt for it unless you are ready for a very raw ride and a high revving experience coupled with some serious driving abilities at the limit. The 997.1 GT3 commands a lot of respect. It is a no joke car, very stressful sometimes when driving in the canyons. I would not DD the car. The 997.1 GT3 is the best GT3 in my opinion since it makes you really work for speed and control. The GTS can be in any gear and you don't have worry about lugging the engine, the Mezger needs to be revved and it is robust. I know people with over 50,000 track KM on these things back in Germany. It is a definite keeper. All the above said, I would take the GTS for a DD. The GT3 is a weekend joyride.
#10
If you don't track more than 5 times per year, GTS all the way. That was my logic when selecting a GTS vs 991.1 GT3. I only track 3-4 times per year and love long drives. I'm super glad I went with the GTS, it's super comfortable and quiet when you're in normal mode. Turn on Sport+ and sport suspension mode, it's a whole new animal. The sound, the handling, and the comfort is unbeatable. Also, the back seats are great for kids under 5'1".
#11
I own a 997.1 GT3. I even had a 997.2 GT3 and sold it so I can replace it with the 997.1 after a test drive. The GTS is a DD car, luxurious, comfortable, and plenty of usable power. The GT3 is not so simple. The Mezger is possibly the best engine Porsche has produced for road going cars (hell the RSR runs it right now). You have to keep the revs at 3800 or above, or else you risk damage. The car has traction control, but it doesn't - it won't catch you if you make a mistake. It is very twitchy and very easily out of hand if you flinch. It is really a brilliant sports car, but you have to be comfortable with uncertainties and have fast reflexes to save yourself. I would not opt for it unless you are ready for a very raw ride and a high revving experience coupled with some serious driving abilities at the limit. The 997.1 GT3 commands a lot of respect. It is a no joke car, very stressful sometimes when driving in the canyons. I would not DD the car. The 997.1 GT3 is the best GT3 in my opinion since it makes you really work for speed and control. The GTS can be in any gear and you don't have worry about lugging the engine, the Mezger needs to be revved and it is robust. I know people with over 50,000 track KM on these things back in Germany. It is a definite keeper. All the above said, I would take the GTS for a DD. The GT3 is a weekend joyride.