Base C2 vs C4 in dry climate - worth it?
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Burning Brakes
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Base C2 vs C4 in dry climate - worth it?
Is it worth the extra $$ to get the C4 with PTV in a dry climate like So Calif?
If I could option the PTV+ on a C2 I would just go that route but since I can't I am considering ordering a C4.
I am confident the C4 with PTV+ will handle better for me in AX but would I even notice it the other 29/30 days of the month on the street?
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If I could option the PTV+ on a C2 I would just go that route but since I can't I am considering ordering a C4.
I am confident the C4 with PTV+ will handle better for me in AX but would I even notice it the other 29/30 days of the month on the street?
Thanks
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I thought PTV was standard on C2S or C4S or GTS2 or GTS4, and PTV+ was standard as long as it was PDK? Maybe I'm misremembering.
EDIT: I'm staring at my window sticker for my 2015 GTS 2. It says "Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV)" in the "Standard Equipment" section. I have PDK.
EDIT: I'm staring at my window sticker for my 2015 GTS 2. It says "Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV)" in the "Standard Equipment" section. I have PDK.
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Burning Brakes
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Yes I had been looking at the Base C2 - PTV is not available. Of course it is standard on a C2S but also standard on the Base C4. There are just a ton of options and models on these cars so I'd like to get a number of options before I turn in my lease for another one.
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Is it worth the extra $$ to get the C4 with PTV in a dry climate like So Calif?
If I could option the PTV+ on a C2 I would just go that route but since I can't I am considering ordering a C4.
I am confident the C4 with PTV+ will handle better for me in AX but would I even notice it the other 29/30 days of the month on the street?
Thanks
If I could option the PTV+ on a C2 I would just go that route but since I can't I am considering ordering a C4.
I am confident the C4 with PTV+ will handle better for me in AX but would I even notice it the other 29/30 days of the month on the street?
Thanks
I thought PTV was standard on C2S or C4S or GTS2 or GTS4, and PTV+ was standard as long as it was PDK? Maybe I'm misremembering.
EDIT: I'm staring at my window sticker for my 2015 GTS 2. It says "Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV)" in the "Standard Equipment" section. I have PDK.
EDIT: I'm staring at my window sticker for my 2015 GTS 2. It says "Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV)" in the "Standard Equipment" section. I have PDK.
Huh? That makes no sense. Why does the .2 demand PTV over a .1?
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I was talking about AWD (C4 vs C2) not PTV.
I agree PTV alone is no big deal, but an Electronic Diff is cool to have (they might be bundled together).
A 991.2 [now Turbo] can use the extra traction of AWD to better deal with the Torque Increase of FI.
I would go C4 on a 991.2 config.
I agree PTV alone is no big deal, but an Electronic Diff is cool to have (they might be bundled together).
A 991.2 [now Turbo] can use the extra traction of AWD to better deal with the Torque Increase of FI.
I would go C4 on a 991.2 config.
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I went C2s even though I live in the soggy Pacific Northwest. My 911 is a weekend play car so if the weather sucks the car is in the garage. Handling of the C2s is pretty incredible so not missing 4wd.
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Great question - I live at 7 700 feet in a dry climate (during summer) and opted for the C4S purely for aesthetics (can I say hips!). Our winters here are pretty harsh, during 2016 we had 39 snow days with 175 inches of snow. Initially, I wanted the C4S as a daily driver and would have installed a good set of snow tires, however, after driving the car a little and realizing just how nice it was, decided against that option. So it is garaged during the winter months and driven only in our very dry hot summers. Here are my findings:
1. I drove the car to about 9 000 feet last summer on a very poorly maintained dirt road, about 30 miles in total. The gauge on the left hand side of the instrument cluster shows how the torque is being distributed (see image).
2. The most that the front wheels were getting was 40%.
3. The car handles perfectly on dirt and, and while you can get it sideways, a dab of oppo + a blip of the throttle gets it pointed where you want to go very efficiently.
4. Most of the time, on paved roads, the front wheels maybe get about 10% of the power, this is not say that you can't swing the rear out and drift this car, it will break traction on paved roads if you push it far enough, see here:
5. 99.9% of these vehicles, IMHO, are never driven anywhere near their limit, so I can't provide you with an opinion on whether to go C2S or C4S, suffice to say, that if I were to do it again I would opt for the C4S, the rear stance just looks right to me!
1. I drove the car to about 9 000 feet last summer on a very poorly maintained dirt road, about 30 miles in total. The gauge on the left hand side of the instrument cluster shows how the torque is being distributed (see image).
2. The most that the front wheels were getting was 40%.
3. The car handles perfectly on dirt and, and while you can get it sideways, a dab of oppo + a blip of the throttle gets it pointed where you want to go very efficiently.
4. Most of the time, on paved roads, the front wheels maybe get about 10% of the power, this is not say that you can't swing the rear out and drift this car, it will break traction on paved roads if you push it far enough, see here: