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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 01:50 AM
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You're making a lot of assumptions and suppositions. Those cars are in very high demand still, with plenty of people wanting and loving the PDK-S. The model has been an unmitigated critical and sales success. The RS even more so. To say Porsche screwed up is laughable.
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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
You're making a lot of assumptions and suppositions. Those cars are in very high demand still, with plenty of people wanting and loving the PDK-S. The model has been an unmitigated critical and sales success. The RS even more so. To say Porsche screwed up is laughable.
For someone who sprinkles posts on the 991 GT3 forum you've sure missed a lot.

If PDK-S is such a great success, why is Preuninger all but confirming the next GT3 in optional manual? Perhaps the GT4 uptake wasn't a clue to you. Some even sold their GT3 for a GT4.

Perhaps scouring the 991 GT3 forum more carefully, including finding the poll where current GT3 owners opted over 50% to buy a manual next time around would be useful.
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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 997s07
For someone who sprinkles posts on the 991 GT3 forum you've sure missed a lot.

If PDK-S is such a great success, why is Preuninger all but confirming the next GT3 in optional manual? Perhaps the GT4 uptake wasn't a clue to you. Some even sold their GT3 for a GT4.

Perhaps scouring the 991 GT3 forum more carefully, including finding the poll where current GT3 owners opted over 50% to buy a manual next time around would be useful.
To your defense, they did miss what their enthusiast market really wanted. A manual option. When they did listen, the answer was a GT4 and 911R. Porsche likes to tell their customers what they supposedly want many times versus giving them what they really want. Porsche's marketing story changes depending on what the current model they're trying to push.

The success of the .1 GT3 and RS is merely a reflection of the economic bubble times we are in. Many could argue they dropped the ball big time with the looming .1 GT3 engine issues which they whole story hasn't been written yet.

Anyone think a .1 GT3/GT3RS was hard to get in PDK? Wait until the manual is an option. Will be twice as hard to get in the .2 GT3.
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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 08:18 AM
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Strange behavior! You attack anyone who disagrees with you.
No, I support my factual points and call them like I see them.
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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by STG
No, I support my factual points and call them like I see them.
That is not true. You lash out at anyone who disagrees with you. Case in point, the service manager who you named and disclosed his place of work. When Oalvarez gave you facts on this thread regarding the base vs the S depreciation you attempted to ridicule him because he had facts and you had an opinion. That's just two examples. There are many more.

You pontificate your opinions as facts, like your ramblings about a MT for the GT3. You don't know this. Porsche doesn't confide in you. Besides, your assumption is probably wishful thinking. Porsche will most probably not change its' course on the MT for the GT3 anymore than Formula 1 is going back to manual transmissions.

You have been an RL member for a year one and half and you consider yourself the great know it all authority on all things Porsche. Just maybe, you're not.

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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by petee1997
That is not true. You lash out at anyone who disagrees with you. Case in point, the service manager who you named and disclosed his place of work. When Oalvarez gave you facts on this thread regarding the base vs the S depreciation you attempted to ridicule him because he had facts and you had an opinion. That's just two examples. There are many more examples including me.

You have been an RL member for a year one and half and you consider yourself the great know it all authority on all things Porsche.

You pontificate your opinions as facts and of course, that does not make you right.
Those are your "opinions". There are a few select here whose whole purpose is to cause drama and offer nothing of value on RL. All one has to do is look at your posting history. Welcome to online forums!

For everything you and your BFF spout out, there are 20 others who would like to hand it to you that don't speak up. Trust me, I get PM's about it.

It is what it is. I've come to accept it. Associate with the 98% of the valued members and ignore the other 2% Later!

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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by petee1997
That is not true. You lash out at anyone who disagrees with you. Case in point, the service manager who you named and disclosed his place of work. When Oalvarez gave you facts on this thread regarding the base vs the S depreciation you attempted to ridicule him because he had facts and you had an opinion. That's just two examples. There are many more.

You pontificate your opinions as facts, like your ramblings about a MT for the GT3. You don't know this. Porsche doesn't confide in you. Besides, your assumption is probably wishful thinking. Porsche will most probably not change its' course on the MT for the GT3 anymore than Formula 1 is going back to manual transmissions.

You have been an RL member for a year one and half and you consider yourself the great know it all authority on all things Porsche. Just maybe, you're not.
Precisely, and I'm sure many agree, it's hard not to.
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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by STG
Those are your "opinions". There are a few select here whose whole purpose is to cause drama and offer nothing of value on RL. All one has to do is look at your posting history. Welcome to online forums!

For everything you and your BFF spout out, there are 20 others who would like to hand it to you that don't speak up. Trust me, I get PM's about it.

It's is what it is. I've come to accept it. Associate with the 98% of the valued members and ignore the other 2% Later!
right, right.

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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 997s07
For someone who sprinkles posts on the 991 GT3 forum you've sure missed a lot.

If PDK-S is such a great success, why is Preuninger all but confirming the next GT3 in optional manual? Perhaps the GT4 uptake wasn't a clue to you. Some even sold their GT3 for a GT4.

Perhaps scouring the 991 GT3 forum more carefully, including finding the poll where current GT3 owners opted over 50% to buy a manual next time around would be useful.
Seriously, you can't be this dopey. You're saying, that because on an enthusiast website, a handful of people polled, half of them said they would rather have a manual, that Porsche screwed up? Or because a few buyers sold their cars to buy other cars (gee that never happens), Porsche screwed up.

The fact that the car is awesome, the press loves it, the market ate it up, it's still in such demand that people are paying sticker for used 2014s and 2015s, is irrelevant? Porsche didn't screw up. They nailed it. Oh and the fact that the RS is massively oversubscribed, buyers are paying huge premiums, dyed in the wool track rats are buying them - Porsche screwed up again?

I think you're confusing your opinions about transmission choice with the reality of the marketplace.
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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by STG
Those are your "opinions". There are a few select here whose whole purpose is to cause drama and offer nothing of value on RL. All one has to do is look at your posting history. Welcome to online forums!

For everything you and your BFF spout out, there are 20 others who would like to hand it to you that don't speak up. Trust me, I get PM's about it.

It is what it is. I've come to accept it. Associate with the 98% of the valued members and ignore the other 2% Later!
Again, that is an opinion and not a fact!!!
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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by STG
To your defense, they did miss what their enthusiast market really wanted. A manual option. When they did listen, the answer was a GT4 and 911R. Porsche likes to tell their customers what they supposedly want many times versus giving them what they really want. Porsche's marketing story changes depending on what the current model they're trying to push.

The success of the .1 GT3 and RS is merely a reflection of the economic bubble times we are in. Many could argue they dropped the ball big time with the looming .1 GT3 engine issues which they whole story hasn't been written yet.

Anyone think a .1 GT3/GT3RS was hard to get in PDK? Wait until the manual is an option. Will be twice as hard to get in the .2 GT3.
Very true. Given the engine disaster that is looming very large over all of the GT3 owners, an unreliable 9000 RPM red line that was needed to match the PDK (if anyone hasn't driven the 991 GT3, you would be astonished how short the gears are compared to any other Porsche), Porsche marketing is in full spin mode. Getting 'factory drivers' to endorse PDK doesn't mean poop to me or anyone with any respect of their own likes and dislikes.

I pulled my deposit out the 991.2 GT3 because I am worried the engine issues will still be the same, it is the same 9A1 with the same lubrication issues - very difficult to solve. Let's see how hard the 991.1 GT3 prices will fall once the .2 is out and once the engine issues are even more publicized.

Preuninger is a master advertiser and marketer as well, no one really trusts him on many things around here. But a few things are inevitable, and that is the 991.2 GT3 in manual. He didn't even spin that, essentially just said it...
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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
Seriously, you can't be this dopey. You're saying, that because on an enthusiast website, a handful of people polled, half of them said they would rather have a manual, that Porsche screwed up? Or because a few buyers sold their cars to buy other cars (gee that never happens), Porsche screwed up.

The fact that the car is awesome, the press loves it, the market ate it up, it's still in such demand that people are paying sticker for used 2014s and 2015s, is irrelevant? Porsche didn't screw up. They nailed it. Oh and the fact that the RS is massively oversubscribed, buyers are paying huge premiums, dyed in the wool track rats are buying them - Porsche screwed up again?

I think you're confusing your opinions about transmission choice with the reality of the marketplace.
I think you are new to the Porsche game and probably have never seen limited edition cars. All GT cars commanded premiums, whether it was a 996 or a 997, or a 991. It is OK, keep your head in the sand, it is safer than seeing the world the way it is. Keep on truckin'... You have 0 clue. Just go back to your Audis, they're automatic, no?

GT cars are not for you nor is the GT culture. Over 80% of the GT drivers in the world (you weren't around, so don't bother) were on the 996 and 997 GT3, GT2, and RS board at one time or another. It was a beautiful and thriving community.
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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 02:08 PM
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How did base vs S morph into PDK vs manual? Should we get into 911 vs Corvette now?

The 991 GT3 was a massive success in terms of profit and reviews, but they've listened to feedback that more people than they originally expected still want the manual and hence GT4/R and giving back the option on the .2 GT3. That doesn't make the PDK only .1 any less of a success or any less good, but more choices are always better.
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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Dewinator
How did base vs S morph into PDK vs manual? Should we get into 911 vs Corvette now?

The 991 GT3 was a massive success in terms of profit and reviews, but they've listened to feedback that more people than they originally expected still want the manual and hence GT4/R and giving back the option on the .2 GT3. That doesn't make the PDK only .1 any less of a success or any less good, but more choices are always better.
All I said is PAG messed up by not offering a manual option. But I got someone following me around and trying to undermine me.
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Old Jun 1, 2016 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 997s07

GT cars are not for you nor is the GT culture. Over 80% of the GT drivers in the world (you weren't around, so don't bother) were on the 996 and 997 GT3, GT2, and RS board at one time or another. It was a beautiful and thriving community.

What is your source to fact check this assertion?
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