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Old 02-05-2016, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Jabs1542
Yea I'm wondering if the previous owner had them tied off.
What's the point of this? Sport mode without the noise?
Old 02-05-2016, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Cable
highly likely; probably fastest way to tell is to pop an ammeter across the connectors to see if current is applied to the actuator, if it is then its got to
be a vacuum problem ...
Can you edumacate me on change over valves? I thought that the valve would be driven by the vacuum (similar to a pneumatic valve) and that electricity wasn't involved. But then I guess the term "change over refers to electricity to vacuum - maybe?
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For a bit of reference regarding the vacuum lines, I posted a DIY some time back on 6Speed... And on my blog.... 991 Exhaust Sound Hack

You don't have to remove the rear bumper cover to reach the two connections to the exhaust flaps... but the driver-side valve is tough to get to on the S exhaust.

Simply pulling the vacuum line from the exhaust flap valves will leave them either open or closed. In most cases owners who have had the Change-Over Valve failure the flaps could be in either position. Others have experienced a loose vacuum line which leaves the valves in "loud" mode. And then there's people like me who purposefully pull the line off, and cap it to kill the fault message.

Do some searching on the forums for COV issues. There are some really good technical explanations and diagrams available to help you understand how they work, when, and so on.





Location of all the COV valves. Including the vacuum lines to the PSE / S exhaust flappers.
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Old 02-05-2016, 05:56 PM
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I googled change over valves and answered my own question.

So why go to the trouble to use a vacuum to drive a diaphragm to move a rod in a linear fashion rather than just using a linear servo? Sorry this is OT, feel free to dismiss.
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Originally Posted by plenum
For a bit of reference regarding the vacuum lines, I posted a DIY some time back on 6Speed... And on my blog.... 991 Exhaust Sound Hack

You don't have to remove the rear bumper cover to reach the two connections to the exhaust flaps... but the driver-side valve is tough to get to on the S exhaust.

Simply pulling the vacuum line from the exhaust flap valves will leave them either open or closed. In most cases owners who have had the Change-Over Valve failure the flaps could be in either position. Others have experienced a loose vacuum line which leaves the valves in "loud" mode. And then there's people like me who purposefully pull the line off, and cap it to kill the fault message.

Do some searching on the forums for COV issues. There are some really good technical explanations and diagrams available to help you understand how they work, when, and so on.





Location of all the COV valves. Including the vacuum lines to the PSE / S exhaust flappers.
Plenum for President!
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Originally Posted by Larry Cable
Plenum for President!
Either one of you guys would get my vote
Old 02-05-2016, 06:05 PM
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LOL. Maybe I can sway the vote in my favor? I have the complete doc on servicing the vacuum system, which includes the COVs!
Old 02-05-2016, 08:24 PM
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I'll let a tech check it out on Tuesday. Thanks for your help you guys.
Old 02-05-2016, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Maketrax
What's the point of this? Sport mode without the noise?
Throttle response is a lot sharper in Sport mode, and for PDK cars, the shift points are more aggressive (if still too sluggish.)

There was never any good reason for Porsche to associate the Sport and PSE functions with each other. I use a microcontroller on the LIN bus to maintain the state of all of the buttons independently across drive cycles, and I've found that my usual personal "default" is Sport on, PSE off, PASM off. When I'm in the mood to shift manually I turn Sport+, PSE, and PASM on for the whole "experience," but otherwise PSE usually stays off.

Conversely, the only time I turn Sport mode off is when I'm stuck in traffic, where the lazy throttle response and early shift points can be more relaxing.
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I've seen this happen on a couple cars, most of the times the valves themselves have gone bad and need to be replaced. I wouldn't be surprised if this has happened again to your car.

One of my friends had the vacuum line to his exhaust come loose, and the car threw a coolant line warning.
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Originally Posted by Noah Fect
....I use a microcontroller on the LIN bus to maintain the state of all of the buttons independently across drive cycles......
Oh yeah thats just what I did too ..... like I even understand what this even means but I bet it is good
Old 02-06-2016, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeearly
Oh yeah thats just what I did too ..... like I even understand what this even means but I bet it is good
I think what he's saying is he uses his finger to press the buttons....
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Originally Posted by plenum
I think what he's saying is he uses his finger to press the buttons....
no I actually think he means he has connected something like an Ardeuno
http://hackaday.com/2014/04/19/a-lin...gnal-injector/

to the LIN bus... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_...onnect_Network
Old 02-06-2016, 07:46 PM
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Yep, it just means that I don't have to hit Sport and/or PSE every time I start the car. It's a minor tweak for the current cars, but will be a bigger deal in the next generation where you won't be able to disable auto start-stop by default.

Zapta's little hack will be very popular with the 982s and 991.2s, I suspect.
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PSE is back in action! Vacuum solenoid had failed. Thanks everyone


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